Should this be prompted?

[rohitx15]

If the answer to a question is "Deng Xiaoping" and a player answers "Xiaoping," should he/she be prompted?

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[Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN)]

No.

[Auks Ran Ova]

Whatever that was, please don't do it again.

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[rohitx15]

No.

Ok, thanks for your answer, but, if you don't mind, could you please elaborate on why that shouldn't be prompted?

[AKKOLADE]

Deng is his family name. Saying Xiaoping is pretty much the equivalent of saying "Mitt" for Mitt Romney.

[Charles Martel]

What about "D. Xiaoping"?

[Kyle]

That would be like saying "Mitt R."

[Stained Diviner]

According to ACF Rule G.4., it should not be prompted. I do not think that NAQT has clear guidelines on this. Local rules probably vary.

I believe that it should be prompted, though I wouldn't override the rules of a tournament to do so.

[Charles Martel]

Not disputing any of the points that having been made using the example of Mitt Romney, but it's kind of funny that he's being used as an example because Mitt isn't his first name (I've wanted him to come up in a tournament for a while so that I could answer Willard Romney).

[Kyle]

Not disputing any of the points that having been made using the example of Mitt Romney, but it's kind of funny that he's being used as an example because Mitt isn't his first name (I've wanted him to come up in a tournament for a while so that I could answer Willard Romney).

Deng Xiaoping's name at birth was Deng Xiansheng.

[Important Bird Area]

I do not think that NAQT has clear guidelines on this.

In practice, we do not normally prompt on these (the next update to our correctness guidelines will make this policy clear).

[Skepticism and Animal Feed]

Some people (including myself) have argued that it should be promptable, especially at the high school level. But we are very much in the minority, and the standard rule is that you should not prompt.

[Muriel Axon]

Some people (including myself) have argued that it should be promptable, especially at the high school level. But we are very much in the minority, and the standard rule is that you should not prompt.

I would be sympathetic to the idea of prompting in these cases in a novice high school tournament, especially since you get a lot of players who may have actual knowledge about Chinese politics or history, but just don't know how the naming structure works, and haven't been in quiz bowl long enough to get chastised for that, or to learn the particulars of the rules.

[merv1618]

I feel like the main issue is separating real knowledge from guesswork answers. In the case of real knowledge, something I've seen happen is when a history bonus part on Frances Perkins came up, the team captain said something like, "Oh that's that woman...Frances something or other," and got prompted for a few seconds to see if he could remember the last name because it was clear he knew who was being asked about. In contrast, something that could happen is on a question about, say, Strauss the younger, a guess of "Johann" might not be promptable because of other composers like his father, Pachelbel, or the horde of Bachs whose first name was Johann. In this case, it could be the player hopefully buying time without knowing which composer the question was asking about (perhaps not even a Johann), thus not warranting a prompt of any kind.

[Stained Diviner]

Some people (including myself) have argued that it should be promptable, especially at the high school level. But we are very much in the minority, and the standard rule is that you should not prompt.

I would be sympathetic to the idea of prompting in these cases in a novice high school tournament, especially since you get a lot of players who may have actual knowledge about Chinese politics or history, but just don't know how the naming structure works, and haven't been in quiz bowl long enough to get chastised for that or to learn the particulars of the rules.

We want regular high school tournaments to be welcoming to novice teams. There are a lot of regular high school tournaments that have a large proportion of their teams who play at or near a novice level. I could see why HSNCT, NSC, or NASAT could have that type of expectation, but the fact is that at Tournament #419 at wherever there are a decent number of teams, possibly in some cases the majority, who don't know about Asian or Hispanic naming conventions.