How to make a team more mediocre?
How to make a team more mediocre?
Hi everyone!
If you're reading this forum, you might have been wondering: how could I possibly keep my team from ever improving? Is there anything that I could do to ensure that I don't improve as a player? As a coach or volunteer, what should I do to make the game a miserable experience for everyone involved?
This is the thread for you!
I'll start off with some tips. Feel free to add them as you wish! After all, inhibiting the growth of the game is what we're all here for!
1) Don't study! Look, man, if this was, like, a game about knowing stuff, then you shouldn't have to try to get better at it because I obviously know everything I need to know, like how awesome Squall's Gun Blade was! Why do I have to worry about this Monet geek anyway?
2) Don't ask teams better than you what they do to get better! You don't want to be like those nerds, do you? Look at them, walking around like they learned something before they beat us by 400 points.
3) Don't write questions! Momma always said, "Don't try to learn how to do something when you could hypothetically be paid for it but only if you actually knew what you were doing, which you in fact don't know at this point."
4) Don't read old questions! I'm going to hear a bunch of questions on Saturday, this is just kind of double dipping!
5) Complain a lot when you lose! The fix was in!
6) When a good player is actually on your team, use that as an excuse to try not to improve! I'm pretty sure he/she's got this covered.
If you're reading this forum, you might have been wondering: how could I possibly keep my team from ever improving? Is there anything that I could do to ensure that I don't improve as a player? As a coach or volunteer, what should I do to make the game a miserable experience for everyone involved?
This is the thread for you!
I'll start off with some tips. Feel free to add them as you wish! After all, inhibiting the growth of the game is what we're all here for!
1) Don't study! Look, man, if this was, like, a game about knowing stuff, then you shouldn't have to try to get better at it because I obviously know everything I need to know, like how awesome Squall's Gun Blade was! Why do I have to worry about this Monet geek anyway?
2) Don't ask teams better than you what they do to get better! You don't want to be like those nerds, do you? Look at them, walking around like they learned something before they beat us by 400 points.
3) Don't write questions! Momma always said, "Don't try to learn how to do something when you could hypothetically be paid for it but only if you actually knew what you were doing, which you in fact don't know at this point."
4) Don't read old questions! I'm going to hear a bunch of questions on Saturday, this is just kind of double dipping!
5) Complain a lot when you lose! The fix was in!
6) When a good player is actually on your team, use that as an excuse to try not to improve! I'm pretty sure he/she's got this covered.
Fred Morlan
University of Kentucky CoP, 2017
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former PACE member, president, etc.
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Re: How to make a team more mediocre?
Wouldn't it also be good to spend more time loitering on the forums to prevent that time from being used on something productive?
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Illinois 2016
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Re: How to make a team more mediocre?
Only if Protobowl/Quizbowl Central are down (you know, for the trolling or the reflex buzzing on questions you've heard five times before).
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International Quiz Bowl Tournaments, CEO, co-owner
former PACE member, president, etc.
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International Quiz Bowl Tournaments, CEO, co-owner
former PACE member, president, etc.
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Re: How to make a team more mediocre?
Firmly stick to the full-line switch at the half. Even taking out the player who answered 7 toss-ups in the 1st half. You must take that player out, he's answering too many questions.
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Re: How to make a team more mediocre?
Brag about the quality of your team whenever you can. After all, intimidation and bluster may throw off your opponents! How are they going to know how good you actually are?
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Re: How to make a team more mediocre?
Building on this, coaches should switch to as many possible combinations as possible over the course of the tournament, so you can get no real idea of who is doing well and no one has to play too many of these five page essay questions. Also, yell at your students every time they get a question wrong or it goes dead: making them feel stupid is the way to make them want to get smart.Adm Akbar says It's a Tarp! wrote:Firmly stick to the full-line switch at the half. Even taking out the player who answered 7 toss-ups in the 1st half. You must take that player out, he's answering too many questions.
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Re: How to make a team more mediocre?
How about just not even going to tournaments? They ain't worth the time; you're probably better off spending your Saturday doing other things.
I feel like I know a specific team you are describing here.Adm Akbar says It's a Tarp! wrote:Firmly stick to the full-line switch at the half. Even taking out the player who answered 7 toss-ups in the 1st half. You must take that player out, he's answering too many questions.
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Re: How to make a team more mediocre?
You have clearly never been to many tournaments in Illinois. Among people I know, the record is 18 players in a single game of 5v5.Alliance in the Alps wrote:I feel like I know a specific team you are describing here.Adm Akbar says It's a Tarp! wrote:Firmly stick to the full-line switch at the half. Even taking out the player who answered 7 toss-ups in the 1st half. You must take that player out, he's answering too many questions.
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Re: How to make a team more mediocre?
http://www.hsquizbowl.org/db/tournament ... etail/#t16dtaylor4 wrote:You have clearly never been to many tournaments in Illinois. Among people I know, the record is 18 players in a single game of 5v5.Alliance in the Alps wrote:I feel like I know a specific team you are describing here.Adm Akbar says It's a Tarp! wrote:Firmly stick to the full-line switch at the half. Even taking out the player who answered 7 toss-ups in the 1st half. You must take that player out, he's answering too many questions.
Jarret Greene
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Re: How to make a team more mediocre?
I am interested in making my team really, really mediocre, within a short period of time, rather than gradually building mediocrity through practice. Can anyone tell me how to do this?
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Re: How to make a team more mediocre?
I heard of some really good practice material in Canada where you are. I think it was called "Reach for the Top"?bmcke wrote:I am interested in making my team really, really mediocre, within a short period of time, rather than gradually building mediocrity through practice. Can anyone tell me how to do this?
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Re: How to make a team more mediocre?
Not only will this greatly increase the mediocrity of your team, it has the added bonus of making your scorekeepers and statskeeper really angry.Adm Akbar says It's a Tarp! wrote:Firmly stick to the full-line switch at the half. Even taking out the player who answered 7 toss-ups in the 1st half. You must take that player out, he's answering too many questions.
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Re: How to make a team more mediocre?
Best way to improve. No doubt.
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Re: How to make a team more mediocre?
What makes it even worse is when the scorekeepers neglect to accurately document the sub-a-palooza, which leads to the statkeeper occasionally throwing things across a room.Marble-faced Bristle Tyrant wrote:Not only will this greatly increase the mediocrity of your team, it has the added bonus of making your scorekeepers and statskeeper really angry.
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Re: How to make a team more mediocre?
That's only 17 players, Jarret!Inkana7 wrote:http://www.hsquizbowl.org/db/tournament ... etail/#t16dtaylor4 wrote:You have clearly never been to many tournaments in Illinois. Among people I know, the record is 18 players in a single game of 5v5.Alliance in the Alps wrote:I feel like I know a specific team you are describing here.Adm Akbar says It's a Tarp! wrote:Firmly stick to the full-line switch at the half. Even taking out the player who answered 7 toss-ups in the 1st half. You must take that player out, he's answering too many questions.
EDIT: I was thinking of Canfield because I heard they did it too IIRC, but Poland Seminary is definitely one who makes a lot of substitutions.
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Re: How to make a team more mediocre?
To clarify, the record i was referring to was within one game. Over a tournament, I've seen a large number of middle school teams near that mark. Thankfully, restricting subs to only at halftime tends to curb that.Alliance in the Alps wrote:That's only 17 players, Jarret!Inkana7 wrote:http://www.hsquizbowl.org/db/tournament ... etail/#t16dtaylor4 wrote:You have clearly never been to many tournaments in Illinois. Among people I know, the record is 18 players in a single game of 5v5.Alliance in the Alps wrote:I feel like I know a specific team you are describing here.Adm Akbar says It's a Tarp! wrote:Firmly stick to the full-line switch at the half. Even taking out the player who answered 7 toss-ups in the 1st half. You must take that player out, he's answering too many questions.
EDIT: I was thinking of Canfield because I heard they did it too IIRC, but Poland Seminary is definitely one who makes a lot of substitutions.
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Re: How to make a team more mediocre?
Canfield will literally take the 4 players in for the first half and substitute them for 4 entirely different players for the second half, while Poland just plays a ton of people. So do most of the big Mahoning County teams, especially for JV.Alliance in the Alps wrote:That's only 17 players, Jarret!Inkana7 wrote:http://www.hsquizbowl.org/db/tournament ... etail/#t16dtaylor4 wrote:You have clearly never been to many tournaments in Illinois. Among people I know, the record is 18 players in a single game of 5v5.Alliance in the Alps wrote:I feel like I know a specific team you are describing here.Adm Akbar says It's a Tarp! wrote:Firmly stick to the full-line switch at the half. Even taking out the player who answered 7 toss-ups in the 1st half. You must take that player out, he's answering too many questions.
EDIT: I was thinking of Canfield because I heard they did it too IIRC, but Poland Seminary is definitely one who makes a lot of substitutions.
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Re: How to make a team more mediocre?
Aye, Jasper I was thinking about Canfield. Even when they had one of the top players in the county, like a few years ago...the coach would insist on subbing everyone out. In general, as Jarret said, most of the larger schools in the league have a ton of people. Having depth is good, but having a captainless bunch of bodies without anyone becoming a dominant player, because there is little motivation to improve when you'll still be subbed out? I don't understand.
This will probably be more baffling. For some background, at the end of the season, the 16 teams in the league play a double-elim tournament in March, and top 3 qualify for HSNCT. The dominant opinion seems to be guaranteeing 5 games to everyone at this tournament is entirely too much quiz bowl. I mean, once you lose twice can't you just go home? I know we paid for x-number of packets, so it's not like there is a shortage, but why play 3 additional rounds if you lost the first 2?
This will probably be more baffling. For some background, at the end of the season, the 16 teams in the league play a double-elim tournament in March, and top 3 qualify for HSNCT. The dominant opinion seems to be guaranteeing 5 games to everyone at this tournament is entirely too much quiz bowl. I mean, once you lose twice can't you just go home? I know we paid for x-number of packets, so it's not like there is a shortage, but why play 3 additional rounds if you lost the first 2?
Well now, If you want to be more mediocre, you simply can't register multiple teams in a tournament.dtaylor4 wrote:You have clearly never been to many tournaments in Illinois. Among people I know, the record is 18 players in a single game of 5v5.
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Re: How to make a team more mediocre?
Watching Indiana quiz bowl for the last four years I found playing JV 16 players in a game on questions to be especially conductive to mediocrity.
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Re: How to make a team more mediocre?
Legit here, iirc Auburn and us simultaneously line switched during the IHSA 3rd place game last year, once their win was mathematically certain. Does anyone else know of matches where that's happened? Not exactly sure why our coaches made that decision, but whatever.
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Re: How to make a team more mediocre?
Only buzz on bonuses. Cheat. Take easier classes (or just drop out of high school). If a player wants to go to a tournament, ostracize them. Deprive them from funding. At last resort, just prohibit them from doing anything (thinking, reading, etc).
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