CO History 2015
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Re: CO History 2015
Not to derail the thread, but what difficulty do people want this tournament to be at? I personally enjoyed last year's CO History, with its somewhat tamer difficulty and answer selection, more than the previous year's, though I do think its questions were a bit longer than necessary (not sure why you need to write ten or eleven lines on the Taiwan Straits Crisis). I understand that CO is not meant for the faint-hearted and that crazy stuff is part of its wonder and appeal, but I also do prefer games with more middle and early buzzes (which have the added advantage of making sure the day goes faster).
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Re: CO History 2015
Please sign up team "2M" (me and Eric Mukherjee) for this tournament. Thanks!
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Re: CO History 2015
I'm interested in playing this tournament. I am old and don't know anything so don't expect me to win you any games. Anyone who is into losing should definitely team up with me.
Jerry Vinokurov
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Re: CO History 2015
I am also old, know even less than Jerry, and would like to register myself as a free agent for a Loaseathon the likes of which has never been seen before.
EDIT: Jerry and I will team up for this event after realizing that we both remembered where we were and what we were doing when we heard that Cromwell had dissolved Parliament. Our team name will be "Ye Manifest Virtuef of Children Guarding Themfelves Afar from ye Lawnes of their Elderf." Jeff, if you can't find a copy of this pamphlet on your own, I'll be glad to show you the copy I "borrowed" from a London coffeehouse back in 1650.
EDIT: Jerry and I will team up for this event after realizing that we both remembered where we were and what we were doing when we heard that Cromwell had dissolved Parliament. Our team name will be "Ye Manifest Virtuef of Children Guarding Themfelves Afar from ye Lawnes of their Elderf." Jeff, if you can't find a copy of this pamphlet on your own, I'll be glad to show you the copy I "borrowed" from a London coffeehouse back in 1650.
Greg Baboukis, University of Illinois
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Re: CO History 2015
I'm playing this with Stephen Liu.
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Re: CO History 2015
I'm playing this with fellow Northwestern goon Cory Haala
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Re: CO History 2015
Unfortunately I do now have plans for July, so I won't be at CO this year either.NickConderWKU wrote:I don't currently have plans for the month of July, and I've always wanted to go to CO in some capacity, so I'm a free agent for this. I know some US History and a little bit of post-1900 history in Europe and Latin America. I'd prefer to play with somebody who knows other things.
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Re: CO History 2015
In a shocking turn, Matt Lafer and I will play this on the same team.
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Re: CO History 2015
That's 30 players who at some point have expressed interest in playing this tournament. Should more demand exist, we can start forming three-person teams.bird bird bird bird bird wrote:If and when the field fills (around 30 interested players), we can discuss expanding teams at that point.
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Re: CO History 2015
I reiterate that it will be much easier to just shift to 4-person teams than to try and work with threes, which could get messy and split existing pairs up.bird bird bird bird bird wrote:That's 30 players who at some point have expressed interest in playing this tournament. Should more demand exist, we can start forming three-person teams.bird bird bird bird bird wrote:If and when the field fills (around 30 interested players), we can discuss expanding teams at that point.
Matt Jackson
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Re: CO History 2015
Will Mason and I are also interested in playing.
Seth Ebner
Johns Hopkins University '2x
Washington University in St. Louis '17
Charter School of Wilmington '13
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Re: CO History 2015
I'm definitely interested in playing this, preferably with someone who knows American history.
Kenji Shimizu
University of Michigan '18
Summit Academy North High School '13
University of Michigan '18
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Re: CO History 2015
I apparently forgot to post in this thread, but I am definitely interested in playing.
Trevor Davis
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Re: CO History 2015
I am bad at history. i am interested in sitting by a buzzer for however many rounds and negging a tossup on some japanese dude.
Andrew Wang
Illinois 2016
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Re: CO History 2015
Let's playBlack Miao wrote:I am bad at history. i am interested in sitting by a buzzer for however many rounds and negging a tossup on some japanese dude.
Ike
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Re: CO History 2015
I'll be at CO and will play this. I only know about things that happened after 1867. Playing with anyone who knows anything about things that happen south of the 49th parallel N would be nice.
Patrick Liao
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Re: CO History 2015
kIke wrote:Let's playBlack Miao wrote:I am bad at history. i am interested in sitting by a buzzer for however many rounds and negging a tossup on some japanese dude.
Andrew Wang
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Re: CO History 2015
I don't know if we've decided on a final team format or not, but if we decide to go with a "third players join already-formed two-player teams" model, would anyone mind adhering to a sort of "gentlemen's agreement" wherein the stronger teams don't take on third players before the weaker ones do? I think that would make this tournament more competitive and interesting.
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Re: CO History 2015
This is one of the many reasons why I think that just combining existing duos into teams of four would be much more elegant.Periplus of the Erythraean Sea wrote:I don't know if we've decided on a final team format or not, but if we decide to go with a "third players join already-formed two-player teams" model, would anyone mind adhering to a sort of "gentlemen's agreement" wherein the stronger teams don't take on third players before the weaker ones do? I think that would make this tournament more competitive and interesting.
Matt Jackson
University of Chicago '24
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Re: CO History 2015
I don't know if Jeff has already enlisted staffers, but I'd be happy to staff, or otherwise to play if there are four-person teams. I'm not actually good at history, but I will probably get >0 questions.
Shan Kothari
Plymouth High School '10
Michigan State University '14
University of Minnesota '20
Plymouth High School '10
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Re: CO History 2015
I'd be down to play this. Won't do that well, but probably will do more good than harm overall if anyone is interested in partnering with me / appending me to a team.
Jason Asher
University of Minnesota, Twin Cities 2018
Adlai E. Stevenson High School 2014
University of Minnesota, Twin Cities 2018
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Re: CO History 2015
So how are teams working for this?
Jason Z.
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University of Chicago '18
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Re: CO History 2015
Not to beat the same drum excessively, but it might help solve all of the scheduling problem, the tournament-length-given-other-stuff-in-schedule problem, and the packet submission problem (i.e. each person has less to write) if we expanded out to standard-size teams and capped the field at 9 of those. Each packet would be a single submission, plus two editors/finals packets to cap things off as needed.jasonzhou wrote:So how are teams working for this?
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Re: CO History 2015
I don't like the idea of four-man history teams if all the top history players get condensed onto one or two squads (does anyone want to face the Matt Bollinger/Jordan Brownstein/Chris Ray/whoever wrecking machine?). Being assigned to pair up with other teams is unappealing and/or free agents but might be a nice way of resolving things.
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Re: CO History 2015
This is a competition and people should feel free to play to win, whatever the arrangements are. Insisting that other people not play to win just because you don't want to do so is a bit much.Periplus of the Erythraean Sea wrote:I don't like the idea of four-man history teams if all the top history players get condensed onto one or two squads (does anyone want to face the Matt Bollinger/Jordan Brownstein/Chris Ray/whoever wrecking machine?). Being assigned to pair up with other teams is unappealing and/or free agents but might be a nice way of resolving things.
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Re: CO History 2015
Jay Misuk and I are interested in playing, although it might help to know things like how many people on a team, basic format, whether the field has already been capped, and other minor details like that.
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Re: CO History 2015
I'm not sure where the correct place to post this is, but I am willing to work the control room throughout Sunday again. I'm useless at Art, History, and Lit.
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Re: CO History 2015
Now that CO packet submission has begun, it would seem prudent to try to finally work things out so people can get to work on packets for this event as well. I don't have many more constructive solutions to offer at this time beyond what I've already said, though.
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Re: CO History 2015
I'm willing to play or staff this.
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Re: CO History 2015
I'll have a full post about this after MSNCT is over.Periplus of the Erythraean Sea wrote:Now that CO packet submission has begun, it would seem prudent to try to finally work things out so people can get to work on packets for this event as well. I don't have many more constructive solutions to offer at this time beyond what I've already said, though.
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Re: CO History 2015
Notwithstanding the craziness of those off-the-chain MSNCT after-parties, can we get a distribution please so that entrants and hopeful entrants can start writing?bird bird bird bird bird wrote: I'll have a full post about this after MSNCT is over.
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Re: CO History 2015
OK, here we go.
Due to the strength of demand for this tournament, we are officially switching to four-player teams and an 11-team field cap.
That's a total of 44 players (there are currently 37 registered players and several more expressed interest).
The distribution for a full packet would look like this:
US history 7 (one question: to 1789; two questions: 1789-1877, since 1877, your choice)
European history 7 (at least one each ancient, medieval, early modern, late modern; no more than two from the same country)
World history 7 (at least one each: Latin America; Africa; Middle East/Central Asia/South Asia; East Asia and Southeast Asia)
Your choice 3 (including areas not listed above, as well as questions of transnational or global significance)
Due to the strength of demand for this tournament, we are officially switching to four-player teams and an 11-team field cap.
That's a total of 44 players (there are currently 37 registered players and several more expressed interest).
The distribution for a full packet would look like this:
US history 7 (one question: to 1789; two questions: 1789-1877, since 1877, your choice)
European history 7 (at least one each ancient, medieval, early modern, late modern; no more than two from the same country)
World history 7 (at least one each: Latin America; Africa; Middle East/Central Asia/South Asia; East Asia and Southeast Asia)
Your choice 3 (including areas not listed above, as well as questions of transnational or global significance)
Jeff Hoppes
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Editor emeritus, ACF
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VP for Communication and history subject editor, NAQT
Editor emeritus, ACF
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Re: CO History 2015
I'm playing with Dan Puma and Mike Cheyne and I guess we're now looking for a fourth.
Patrick Liao
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Re: CO History 2015
If anyone's looking for someone, I'm fairly decent at Euro/World, or at least I'll try to be.
Kenji Shimizu
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Re: CO History 2015
I am also looking for a team, if anyone is looking for a fourth. I have some decent classical and american knowledge.
Jason Z.
Nichols School '14
University of Chicago '18
Food or not food?
Nichols School '14
University of Chicago '18
Food or not food?
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Re: CO History 2015
Jordan "The VIper" Brownstein, Matt "Atlas" Jackson, Chris Ray, and I will be on a team together
Eric Mukherjee, MD PhD
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Re: CO History 2015
If it's just 11 teams, are we doing a packet-sub RR followed by finals rather than whatever other thing is in the original post? Is there a deadline for the packets? Presuming target difficulty is "roughly the same as 3M" unless otherwise instructed.
Matt Jackson
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Re: CO History 2015
Cory and I would like to fuse into a quads team with two other lucky individuals. You know how to contact us.
EDIT: We've teamed up with Andrew Wang and Ike Jose, so we now have FOUR COMBINED ACF NATIONALS TITLES between us. Watch out, suckers.
EDIT: We've teamed up with Andrew Wang and Ike Jose, so we now have FOUR COMBINED ACF NATIONALS TITLES between us. Watch out, suckers.
Dylan Minarik
Hamburger University 'XX
Northwestern '17
Belvidere North High School '13
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Re: CO History 2015
My final team is
Patrick Liao
Dan Puma
me
Trevor Davis
Patrick Liao
Dan Puma
me
Trevor Davis
Mike Cheyne
Formerly U of Minnesota
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Re: CO History 2015
Cool, we know who the Final Boss is nowThe Quest for the Historical Mukherjesus wrote:Jordan "The VIper" Brownstein, Matt "Atlas" Jackson, Chris Ray, and I will be on a team together
Will Alston
Dartmouth College '16
Columbia Business School '21
Dartmouth College '16
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Re: CO History 2015
What makes you think you're the hero?Periplus of the Erythraean Sea wrote:Cool, we know who the Final Boss is nowThe Quest for the Historical Mukherjesus wrote:Jordan "The VIper" Brownstein, Matt "Atlas" Jackson, Chris Ray, and I will be on a team together
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Re: CO History 2015
We are all heroes because yo jerkasses.
Enjoy third place.
Enjoy third place.
Mike Cheyne
Formerly U of Minnesota
"You killed HSAPQ"--Matt Bollinger
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Re: CO History 2015
Yes, we are.Matthew J wrote:are we doing a packet-sub RR followed by finals
The packet deadline will be "in my inbox by Wednesday, July 8th."
I'll update the original post.
Jeff Hoppes
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Re: CO History 2015
Will Mason and I are still looking for two more people to join our team.
Seth Ebner
Johns Hopkins University '2x
Washington University in St. Louis '17
Charter School of Wilmington '13
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Re: CO History 2015
3M difficulty is a good target difficulty for submitted packets.Matthew J wrote:Presuming target difficulty is "roughly the same as 3M" unless otherwise instructed.
Some thoughts on my goals for this tournament:
0. My primary objective is to ask about important things that people have real knowledge of.
1. Expect the editors packets to have significant quantities of both "description acceptable" and "warning: things have names" moderator notes.
2. I would like to encourage the moderate and restrained use of historiography clues. Expect questions about works that are widely read, about historians whose works are well-known outside of history Ph.D. programs, and (especially) conceptual questions that reward players for their historiographical knowledge without making the entire question about historiography. Please keep in mind that, even at this tournament, most of the field does not have graduate-level training in history.
3. Related to (2): this is a Chicago Open side event. There is going to be some difficult material here, and I will cheerfully accept both "this is a new-to-quizbowl thing that is studied in college history classes" and "this is an erratically-spinning object from the outer Kuiper Belt of the shadow canon" variants. That being said: please do not submit entire packets of extremely difficult material. If more than 20% of your submission falls into what Cody describes as "this should show up Nowhere as a tossup", or if you're contemplating "this tossup would fit right in as the hard part of a bonus at CO History 2013," it's time to tone it down a bit. (The 2013 edition of CO History was one of my all-time favorite tournaments, precisely because it had bonuses of outrageous difficulty. Let's try to avoid writing eleven-line tossups on answers one or two people in this field have heard of.)
Jeff Hoppes
President, Northern California Quiz Bowl Alliance
former HSQB Chief Admin (2012-13)
VP for Communication and history subject editor, NAQT
Editor emeritus, ACF
"I wish to make some kind of joke about Jeff's love of birds, but I always fear he'll turn them on me Hitchcock-style." -Fred
President, Northern California Quiz Bowl Alliance
former HSQB Chief Admin (2012-13)
VP for Communication and history subject editor, NAQT
Editor emeritus, ACF
"I wish to make some kind of joke about Jeff's love of birds, but I always fear he'll turn them on me Hitchcock-style." -Fred
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Re: CO History 2015
Marshall and I have teamed up with Andrew Hart and Mike Bentley.
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Dartmouth College '16
Columbia Business School '21
Dartmouth College '16
Columbia Business School '21
Re: CO History 2015
I will be playing this with Mike Sorice, Mik Larsen and Sam Bailey.
Tejas Raje
Cornell '14
Cornell '14