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That's right, it's that time again. From this year forth the poll will be conducted under the official auspices of ACF, but its rules won't change. We want ballots outlining the top teams in the nation from 1 to 25. The ballot should reflect your analysis of results from open tournaments, SCT, and ACF Regionals. The point of the poll is to be a nationals predictor, and you should think about both the ICT and ACF Nationals. Send the ballots to me at ekwartler at gmail dot com. As pollmaster I reserve the right to reject any ballots that are wildly absurd (as in most of the teams being from any one region, the voter unreasonably jacking up his/her own team's ranking, etc).
Also, this would be a good time to post any relevant information about your team's nationals plans (Are you attending, will your whole team be there, do you have to drive through East St. Louis to get to ICT, etc).
Post with any questions.
Also, this would be a good time to post any relevant information about your team's nationals plans (Are you attending, will your whole team be there, do you have to drive through East St. Louis to get to ICT, etc).
Post with any questions.
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Minnesota will be sending teams to both ACF Nats and ICT. Our ACF team will consist of our standard A team (me/Andrew/Gautam/Bernadette); those first three will be going to ICT with an as-yet unnamed fourth.
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Our ACF nationals team will be Jerry Vinokurov, Dennis Jang, Eric Mukherjee, and our top secret beast frosh that I'm genetically engineering in my basement.
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Vandy will have our full team for ICT, the same one that was at SCT and slightly better than the Penn Bowl edition, where we had our #5 instead of #3. ACF is another story. We'll have me, and that's likely it. In a somewhat unusual twist, Paul has Eastern Orthodox Easter that weekend (he's in the process of converting), and the other guys have finals.
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hey stop giving away all our secrets okToStrikeInfinitely wrote:Our ACF nationals team will be Jerry Vinokurov, Dennis Jang, Eric Mukherjee, and our top secret beast frosh that I'm genetically engineering in my basement.
p.s. how dare you presume to speak for me
p.p.s. our team will be eric, dennis, myself, and a magical unciorn
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Our DivI Undergrad team for NAQT will be Billy Beyer, Matt Alford, David Flowers, and Joseph Kostansek.
I'm not entirely sure if we'll be able to go to ACF Nats (due to finals and graduation and such), but if so, it will be hopefully be similar to the team listed above, but with the possible addition of venerable David Raymond.
I'm not entirely sure if we'll be able to go to ACF Nats (due to finals and graduation and such), but if so, it will be hopefully be similar to the team listed above, but with the possible addition of venerable David Raymond.
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beast froshgrapesmoker wrote:hey stop giving away all our secrets okToStrikeInfinitely wrote:Our ACF nationals team will be Jerry Vinokurov, Dennis Jang, Eric Mukherjee, and our top secret beast frosh that I'm genetically engineering in my basement.
p.s. how dare you presume to speak for me
p.p.s. our team will be eric, dennis, myself, and a magical unciorn
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To steal a previous statement...cornfused wrote:Not that Lawrence really deserves a spot on this poll, but we're not going to ACF Nationals and we'll be missing our #2, #3, and probably #4 at ICT for Div II. In other words, if we go to ICT, it'll likely be me, solo.
CasanovaFrankenstein wrote:but if this has a serious impact on your poll you may want to strongly re-examine your ranking criteria
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We'll send a couple teams to Nationals and one to ICT from a pool of players including: Greg Baboukis, Steven Canning, Jeff Crean, Trygve Meade, myself, Donald Taylor, et al. We're not yet sure who the A teams will be; it depends on who can go, who steps it up, and some other stuff.
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Stanford:
ICT: A Team: Eric Smith, Brian Lindquist, Kristiaan De Greve, and possibly Kevin Koai
The B Team is less certain, depending on whether we decide to do a Div I UG team, but it could include any combination of Kevin Koai, Alex Inman, Arnav Moudgil, Jason Ma, or myself (Mike Sexton,) all undergrads, or Paul Rundle, who is a grad student.
ACF Nats: Some combination of the ACF Regionals team of Kevin Koai, Brian Lindquist, Kristiaan De Greve, and Arnav Moudgil, plus me, who played for UCI at regionals.
ICT: A Team: Eric Smith, Brian Lindquist, Kristiaan De Greve, and possibly Kevin Koai
The B Team is less certain, depending on whether we decide to do a Div I UG team, but it could include any combination of Kevin Koai, Alex Inman, Arnav Moudgil, Jason Ma, or myself (Mike Sexton,) all undergrads, or Paul Rundle, who is a grad student.
ACF Nats: Some combination of the ACF Regionals team of Kevin Koai, Brian Lindquist, Kristiaan De Greve, and Arnav Moudgil, plus me, who played for UCI at regionals.
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We have results! All ballots submitted this year were deemed acceptable. Good job. Also, UC-Irvine and Minnesota were tied exactly for 8th. Hopefully that will be resolved in a grudge match at ACF nationals.
1. Maryland
2. Brown
3. Chicago
4. Stanford
5. Illinois
6. Harvard
7. Vanderbilt
8. UC-Irvine
8. Minnesota
10. Florida State
11. MIT
12. Princeton
13. Dartmouth
14. Iowa
15. Williams
16. Drake
17. Carleton
18. South Florida
19. North Carolina
20. Rutgers
21. Florida
22. UCLA
23. Berkeley
24. UIC
25. Yale
Honorable Mention (teams that didn't make top 25 but got some votes):
Harding
Georgia
Carnegie Mellon
Alabama
Toronto
Cornell
WashU
Wisconsin
UTC
North Dakota
Columbia
Truman State
Walt Whitman HS
MLK Magnet HS
William and Mary
Brandeis
Temple
ULL
Penn
Teams not mentioned in any poll:
Furman
1. Maryland
2. Brown
3. Chicago
4. Stanford
5. Illinois
6. Harvard
7. Vanderbilt
8. UC-Irvine
8. Minnesota
10. Florida State
11. MIT
12. Princeton
13. Dartmouth
14. Iowa
15. Williams
16. Drake
17. Carleton
18. South Florida
19. North Carolina
20. Rutgers
21. Florida
22. UCLA
23. Berkeley
24. UIC
25. Yale
Honorable Mention (teams that didn't make top 25 but got some votes):
Harding
Georgia
Carnegie Mellon
Alabama
Toronto
Cornell
WashU
Wisconsin
UTC
North Dakota
Columbia
Truman State
Walt Whitman HS
MLK Magnet HS
William and Mary
Brandeis
Temple
ULL
Penn
Teams not mentioned in any poll:
Furman
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Dwight Me Magin Hart Hairboy CHRIS RAY Chiego Dark Eric BB Weiner Meigs Total
Chicago 25 23 24 24 24 25 22 23 25 24 23 262
Maryland 24 24 23 23 25 23 25 25 24 25 24 265
Brown 23 25 25 25 23 24 23 24 23 23 25 263
Stanford 22 21 22 22 20 20 24 21 22 21 22 237
Illinois 21 22 21 21 22 21 21 23 21 22 20 235
Vanderbilt 20 20 19 20 21 22 20 20 19 21 202
Harvard 19 19 20 19 19 19 17 22 19 20 18 211
UC-Irvine 18 15 15 17 13 12 15 13 16 14 19 167
Williams 17 11 10 14 9 6 16 15 17 0 115
Minnesota 16 18 16 18 16 18 10 20 10 12 13 167
Drake 15 9 8 7 17 10 12 10 13 10 4 115
Iowa 14 12 9 12 10 7 19 11 18 5 117
Princeton 13 6 18 5 5 16 14 19 9 6 17 128
Florida State 12 16 13 13 11 17 11 12 12 15 11 143
Dartmouth 11 10 12 16 15 14 9 17 5 11 8 128
MIT 10 17 14 15 18 13 0 16 3 16 14 136
Carleton 9 14 5 11 8 8 18 7 6 7 0 93
Florida 8 8 4 6 4 0 8 8 13 0 59
North Carolina 7 3 11 4 12 5 6 14 0 5 0 67
UCLA 6 0 0 10 0 0 0 15 0 0 16 47
Georgia 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 11 0 0 3 19
North Dakota 4 2 0 1 0 0 0 0 4 0 0 11
ROM 4 1 0 0 3 6 3 6 1 6 0 30
Rutgers 2 5 7 2 0 0 13 18 7 0 9 63
South Florida 0 13 17 8 0 15 0 0 17 0 12 82
Toronto 0 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 8 0 15
Yale 0 4 0 3 0 0 0 8 0 0 7 22
Harding 0 0 6 0 7 0 5 0 2 0 0 20
Carnegie Mellon 0 0 3 0 14 0 0 0 0 0 0 17
Temple 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2
Penn 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1
Berkeley 0 0 0 9 0 0 0 0 18 0 15 42
WashU 0 0 0 0 6 4 4 0 0 0 0 14
MLK Magnet 0 0 0 0 3 0 3 0 0 0 0 6
Walt Whitman 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 10 10
Alabama 0 0 0 0 0 11 0 0 0 4 1 16
Cornell 0 0 0 0 0 9 0 0 0 0 6 15
Truman State 0 0 0 0 0 0 7 0 0 0 0 7
Wisconsin 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 14 0 0 14
UTC 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 0 9 0 13
ULL 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 2
Columbia 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 9 0 0 0 9
William and Mary 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 6 0 0 0 6
Brandeis 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 0 0 0 5
Dwight Me Magin Hart Hairboy CHRIS RAY Chiego Dark Eric BB Weiner Meigs Total
Chicago 25 23 24 24 24 25 22 23 25 24 23 262
Maryland 24 24 23 23 25 23 25 25 24 25 24 265
Brown 23 25 25 25 23 24 23 24 23 23 25 263
Stanford 22 21 22 22 20 20 24 21 22 21 22 237
Illinois 21 22 21 21 22 21 21 23 21 22 20 235
Vanderbilt 20 20 19 20 21 22 20 20 19 21 202
Harvard 19 19 20 19 19 19 17 22 19 20 18 211
UC-Irvine 18 15 15 17 13 12 15 13 16 14 19 167
Williams 17 11 10 14 9 6 16 15 17 0 115
Minnesota 16 18 16 18 16 18 10 20 10 12 13 167
Drake 15 9 8 7 17 10 12 10 13 10 4 115
Iowa 14 12 9 12 10 7 19 11 18 5 117
Princeton 13 6 18 5 5 16 14 19 9 6 17 128
Florida State 12 16 13 13 11 17 11 12 12 15 11 143
Dartmouth 11 10 12 16 15 14 9 17 5 11 8 128
MIT 10 17 14 15 18 13 0 16 3 16 14 136
Carleton 9 14 5 11 8 8 18 7 6 7 0 93
Florida 8 8 4 6 4 0 8 8 13 0 59
North Carolina 7 3 11 4 12 5 6 14 0 5 0 67
UCLA 6 0 0 10 0 0 0 15 0 0 16 47
Georgia 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 11 0 0 3 19
North Dakota 4 2 0 1 0 0 0 0 4 0 0 11
ROM 4 1 0 0 3 6 3 6 1 6 0 30
Rutgers 2 5 7 2 0 0 13 18 7 0 9 63
South Florida 0 13 17 8 0 15 0 0 17 0 12 82
Toronto 0 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 8 0 15
Yale 0 4 0 3 0 0 0 8 0 0 7 22
Harding 0 0 6 0 7 0 5 0 2 0 0 20
Carnegie Mellon 0 0 3 0 14 0 0 0 0 0 0 17
Temple 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2
Penn 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1
Berkeley 0 0 0 9 0 0 0 0 18 0 15 42
WashU 0 0 0 0 6 4 4 0 0 0 0 14
MLK Magnet 0 0 0 0 3 0 3 0 0 0 0 6
Walt Whitman 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 10 10
Alabama 0 0 0 0 0 11 0 0 0 4 1 16
Cornell 0 0 0 0 0 9 0 0 0 0 6 15
Truman State 0 0 0 0 0 0 7 0 0 0 0 7
Wisconsin 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 14 0 0 14
UTC 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 0 9 0 13
ULL 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 2
Columbia 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 9 0 0 0 9
William and Mary 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 6 0 0 0 6
Brandeis 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 0 0 0 5
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I'm pretty sure my ballot was probably not accepted but that's probably because I only managed to get through the first 10 spots.Kit Cloudkicker wrote:We have results! All ballots submitted this year were deemed acceptable. Good job.
Jerry Vinokurov
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...and not only among the top three spots. I am personally looking forward to an ACF nationals showdown between #11 MIT and #13 Dartmouth. MIT won both MIT-Dartmouth games at regionals, but the first one to come from behind on the last question. Neither game had a single unanswered tossup and the first had only one neg. Plus Dartmouth didn't have their so-called beast frosh. There are a lot of solid teams this year and there are going to be a lot of close games.cornfused wrote:3-3-4 for first place... nice. Nationals should be good this year.
Here's a slightly-better-ordered version. Note that Eric only gave the results of 10 ballots for a few teams (for instance, I can't believe Vanderbilt would get totally left off someone's ballot).
Also receiving votes: Harding 20, Georgia 19, Carnegie Mellon 17, Alabama 16, Cornell 15, Toronto 15, Wisconsin 14, WashU 14, UTC 13, North Dakota 11, Walt Whitman 10, Columbia 9, Truman State 7, William and Mary 6, MLK Magnet 6, Brandeis 5, Temple 2, ULL 2, Penn 1
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Rank Team Tot Avg Top Bottom
1 Maryland 265 24.09 1x4 3
2 Brown 263 23.91 1x4 3
3 Chicago 262 23.82 1x3 4
4 Stanford 237 21.55 2 6
5 Illinois 235 21.36 3 6
6 Vanderbilt 202 20.20 4 7
7 Harvard 211 19.18 4 9
T8 Minnesota 167 15.18 6 16
T8 UC-Irvine 167 15.18 7 14
10 Florida State 143 13.00 9 15
11 MIT 136 12.36 8 NR
12 Iowa 117 11.70 7 21
T13 Princeton 128 11.64 7 21
T13 Dartmouth 128 11.64 9 21
15 Williams 115 11.50 9 NR
16 Drake 115 10.45 9 22
17 Carleton 93 8.45 8 NR
18 South Florida 82 7.45 9 NR
19 North Carolina 67 6.09 12 NR
20 Florida 59 5.90 13 NR
21 Rutgers 63 5.73 8 NR
22 UCLA 47 4.27 10 NR
23 Berkeley 42 3.82 8 NR
24 ROM 30 2.73 20 NR
25 Yale 22 2.00 18 NR
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Actually Dwight, Eric Mukherjee was retarded enough to leave Vandy off his ballot.
And Jerry, yeah, I got a couple of top ten ballots, but I didn't count those as "rejected" since by rejected I really mean OMFG THE WEST IS THE BEST LET'S RANK UC-DAVIS #4. And yeah, I have gotten that crap in the past.
Oh, and thanks dude, that is indeed much cleaner.
And Jerry, yeah, I got a couple of top ten ballots, but I didn't count those as "rejected" since by rejected I really mean OMFG THE WEST IS THE BEST LET'S RANK UC-DAVIS #4. And yeah, I have gotten that crap in the past.
Oh, and thanks dude, that is indeed much cleaner.
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Yeah yeah, sorry. Apologies to matt keller; I didn't know how to reconcile the fact that he's playing solo at ACF with the full team at ICT, then I just forgot. After revising my ballot and putting it into the spreadsheet, it gives me something pretty close to dwight's ordering.Kit Cloudkicker wrote:Actually Dwight, Eric Mukherjee was retarded enough to leave Vandy off his ballot
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I'm sure Eric just missed one while counting out teams (EDIT: Aha, and he posted while I was typing this to affirm that, so I guess I'm scooped), but I actually don't see the omission in that chart (unless you corrected for it already?)--at a fairly thorough glance at the chart, MIT seems to be the highest rated team that someone (Chiego) left off the ballot. Actually, I had no idea MIT would rank so highly at all (I might have made us somewhere in the 20s, but then, that's why I didn't contribute a ballot!), so I'm happy to see what we got, and it even seems like we could have had a shot at FSU for top 10 if we weren't unlisted on Chiego's ballot when the other teams around our skill level were included--as Kyle mentioned, our best fieldable team and Dartmouth tend towards close exciting games.Kit Cloudkicker wrote:Actually Dwight, Eric Mukherjee was retarded enough to leave Vandy off his ballot.
And Jerry, yeah, I got a couple of top ten ballots, but I didn't count those as "rejected" since by rejected I really mean OMFG THE WEST IS THE BEST LET'S RANK UC-DAVIS #4. And yeah, I have gotten that crap in the past.
Oh, and thanks dude, that is indeed much cleaner.
I'm really happy to see how far MIT has come in my time here!
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Interesting curiousity; if you take out Chris' Chiego's ballot, then MIT goes to 10. Also, Chicago, Maryland, and Brown are all tied at exactly 240 points.
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“The next generation will always surpass the previous one. It’s one of the never-ending cycles in life.”
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Yup, Chris's wasn't the one missing MIT though, so it isn't a surprise that we stay at 11 if you remove it. If you take out Chiego's ballot, I believe that puts MIT at 10th, just barely (since it costs us nothing to drop the ballot, and FSU would go down by 11).ToStrikeInfinitely wrote:Interesting curiousity; if you take out Chris' ballot, then MIT remains at 11. However, then Chicago, Maryland, and Brown are all tied at exactly 240 points.
You best be sleeping with one eye open in St. Louis... Anyway, I don't really care about polls, as evidenced by my not submitting one. I'd be quite happy with making the top bracket at ICT. As for ACF, I'll just be thrilled to average > 100 ppg (including bonuses).ToStrikeInfinitely wrote:Yeah yeah, sorry. Apologies to matt keller; I didn't know how to reconcile the fact that he's playing solo at ACF with the full team at ICT, then I just forgot. After revising my ballot and putting it into the spreadsheet, it gives me something pretty close to dwight's ordering.
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You best be sleeping with one eye open in St. Louis.
I think we all better give that some consideration
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