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07-08 Midseason Poll

Post by AKKOLADE » Sat Feb 02, 2008 11:52 pm

We're a little overdue on this, but oh well.

Please include, at the minimum, the team's state. I would like it if you included their city as well. You can vote for B-teams; please indicate their B-teamed-ness in your ballot.

Please utilize this website's results area and state quizbowl sites to look into areas you are not familiar with. Many active areas have discussion threads on this site as well; look at those too. Also, check the AIQuizbowl Ratings (linked below). They're lagging some on being updated, but it's still a good result.

I reserve the right to reject ballots if they appear biased. I will e-mail you for justification of your ballot before I do this, but still, if you have five or more teams from a region that doesn't have that many top quality teams, I'll question your ballot. If I do this, don't take it as some personal affront - deviating from the mean is not a bad thing if your thoughts behind doing so are decently formed.

Also, use this thread for discussion purposes. If you have a question about a team(s) you haven't had the opportunity to see, ask here! I'm certain someone will be able and very willing to address your questions.

I'll let voting go for at least two weeks. If more time is needed, I will extend the deadline.

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I'd love to see us reach 25 ballots on this poll. And hey, maybe this time mine won't be the super crazy one.

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Post by btressler » Sun Feb 03, 2008 9:55 am

Speaking of Byko's ratings, can anyone provide additional information about Wheaton North, East Lansing, Savannah, and Saint Johns (TX)? Currently they are listed as having zero losses in Byko-included tournaments. Do you know of any losses in non-listed tournaments, and if so to whom?

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Post by AKKOLADE » Sun Feb 03, 2008 10:42 am

Stat74 wrote:Speaking of Byko's ratings, can anyone provide additional information about Wheaton North, East Lansing, Savannah, and Saint Johns (TX)? Currently they are listed as having zero losses in Byko-included tournaments. Do you know of any losses in non-listed tournaments, and if so to whom?
I'd like info on those teams and:

Code: Select all

Parkview (AR)
Santa Monica (CA)
Mission San Jose (CA)
Florida High (... FL)
South Fork (FL)
Taylor County (FL)
Ames (IA)
Eisenhower (IL)
Washington (IN)
Actually, pretty much the entire state of Indiana
Novi (MI)
North Carolina Science & Math
Schuylerville (NY)
Findlay (OH)
Columbus Academy (OH)
Booker T Washington (OK)
Edmond Santa Fe (OK)
Lisgar (Ontario)
Rice Memorial (VT)
General discussion will be appreciated as well, of course.

I don't think any WV teams are deserving of being ranked at this point.
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Post by Quantum Mushroom Billiard Hat » Sun Feb 03, 2008 11:18 am

I am fairly sure that East Lansing has not lost yet this season. However, they have not had the opportunity to play any highly ranked teams other than DCC, who they have beaten three or so times. The team is mostly Kurtis, with other players buzzing in to get a couple questions a game, from what I can tell. Kurtis is better than last year, especially on Lit questions, but it's hard to tell how good a team is that has only had one close game all year.

Note: I went to EL, so I am trying not to include any biased opinions. I watched then play a few games at the Autumn Classic and have seen the two QuizBusters games that have aired (those are online, if anyone cares: http://wkar.org/quizbusters/page.php?fi ... &season=19 ).

EDIT: The games against DCC not at the Autumn Classic were on bad questions, and I think DCC was without their full team.

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Post by bsmith » Sun Feb 03, 2008 11:21 am

leftsaidfred wrote: I'd like info on those teams and:

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Lisgar (Ontario)
Besides their one tournament in the ratings, Lisgar will have only competed in one other tournament before the deadline of this poll: they went 6-2 for third place (without their top scorer) at a Reach tournament in December.

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Post by Deviant Insider » Sun Feb 03, 2008 12:22 pm

My guess is that Wheaton North's record is actually about 50-0 right now. All of the tournaments they have played have been in Illinois format, which helps them due to their math strength, but they have faced the top teams in Illinois and have generally played on good Illinois format questions. (That is, questions written by Aegis, NAQT, some house-written, and, perhaps, Byko's company.) Their team last year finished 6-4 the first day and 1-2 the second day at HSNCT and was pretty much (perhaps entirely) juniors. I don't know if they will go to any national tournaments this year, however. Though math is their biggest strength, they are about even with the top Illinois teams in other areas. The only close match they played that I know of was in the New Trier Final against Auburn, and they had already beaten Auburn handily that day.

I don't see any reason to rank Eisenhower. The two matches they have listed in Byko's ratings are both wins over an above average team, but they have not placed in any tournament in Illinois, either because they have not entered or they have lost, I don't know which. They probably are a good team, but I don't have any reason to believe that they are one of the top 25 teams in the country.

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Post by Irreligion in Bangladesh » Sun Feb 03, 2008 1:43 pm

1. Confirm that WN won on Bykowski's questions - at Fremd.

2. Having moderated for a few Indiana teams at Culver a week or so ago, I can say that St. Joseph's has a strong individual player and, with the exception of Harrison A pretty much romped on the way (I did not see the game, nor do I know the score - it might also have been a romp) to second place behind DCC. I'd say that, on the whole, no Indiana teams are likely to be put on a national poll because every single team (save Culver) said that NAQT was their second format after :chip: and each team (outside of St. Joe's and the one game I saw of Culver) made simple mistakes - on an A-level set - indicative of not being used to NAQT. If I had seen more than just Illinois to feel good about doing a national poll myself, I'd feel justified putting St. Joseph's in at 24 or 25 based on just the Culver tournament, but not much higher. Harrison will likely play well at :chip: and not very well elsewhere, like the past. I didn't see enough of Culver A to judge them.

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Post by swwFCqb » Sun Feb 03, 2008 3:11 pm

leftsaidfred wrote:I'd like info on those teams and:

Findlay (OH)
Columbus Academy (OH)
Findlay:
I only saw Findlay at one tournament (BRAVE Falcon at BGSU), but I saw them play like 6 games. They're not quite a top tier team in the state of Ohio yet, but I thought they were pretty solid overall. They did beat Copley twice, DCC B twice, and Tippecanoe twice (granted, Copley and Tipp are having down years; I don't know about DCC B), and only lost to Garfield Heights on the last question of their match. I must add that this was on an NAQT A-set, so I don't know what you should take away from that.

Columbus Academy:
Haven't seen them personally. I've heard they're pretty good and they should be - they got Kirun back - but Greg, Brian, or Justin might be able to give you more info on them if they see this thread. Just from what I've read on the Ohio forum, I can tell you that at Tippecanoe's tournament they beat Walnut Hills, which is a pretty solid victory in my book, as WH is one of the best teams in Ohio.
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Post by ihavenoidea » Sun Feb 03, 2008 3:30 pm

Santa Monica:

They are the dominant team in SoCal, and I suspect in all of Cal, from what I've seen of the scores that Mission San Jose, Bentley, and Harker have put up on Byko. However, they are less potent than last year, having lost two starters and the two people who've replaced them are not as good. Still though, they should definitely be on top 25.

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Post by The Atom Strikes! » Mon Feb 04, 2008 11:16 am

Here is my poll. Thrash at will

1: Dorman (SC)
2: Whitman (MD)
3: Thomas Jefferson (VA)
4: Richard Montgomery (MD)
5: Wilmington Charter (DE)
6: Eden Prarie (Minnesota)
7: East Lansing (Michigan)
8: Stuyvesant (NY)
9: North Kansas City (MO)
10: Detroit Catholic Central (Michigan)
11: State College (PA)
12: Wheaton North (IL)
13: Chatahoochie (GA)
14: MLK Magnet (Tennessee)
15: Dorman B (SC)
16: Gonzaga (DC)
17: Walton (GA)
18: New Trier (IL)
19: Chaska (Minnesota)
20: Maggie Walker Governor's School (VA)
21: Walter Johnson (MD)
22: Brindlee Mountain A (AL)
23: Hunter (NY)
24: James Island A (SC)
25: Brookwood A (GA)
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Post by cornfused » Mon Feb 04, 2008 12:08 pm

Illinois input:

New Trier's a bit high in that, if you ask me. I mean, if they go to HSNCT, they'll probably go 6-4, but this year's team is not as good as last year's - I'd put them #20 at the highest.

And Rockford Auburn probably belongs somewhere on the bottom of your poll... yes, they neg, but they do occasionally get tossups as well. Just occasionally.

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Post by Byko » Mon Feb 04, 2008 3:12 pm

leftsaidfred wrote:
Stat74 wrote:Speaking of Byko's ratings, can anyone provide additional information about Wheaton North, East Lansing, Savannah, and Saint Johns (TX)? Currently they are listed as having zero losses in Byko-included tournaments. Do you know of any losses in non-listed tournaments, and if so to whom?
I'd like info on those teams and:

Code: Select all

Parkview (AR)
Santa Monica (CA)
Mission San Jose (CA)
Florida High (... FL)
South Fork (FL)
Taylor County (FL)
Ames (IA)
Eisenhower (IL)
Washington (IN)
Actually, pretty much the entire state of Indiana
Novi (MI)
North Carolina Science & Math
Schuylerville (NY)
Findlay (OH)
Columbus Academy (OH)
Booker T Washington (OK)
Edmond Santa Fe (OK)
Lisgar (Ontario)
Rice Memorial (VT)
General discussion will be appreciated as well, of course.

I don't think any WV teams are deserving of being ranked at this point.
Here's a little bit of what I know that isn't included:

- Saint John's (TX) lost sometime in the playoffs in the TQBA Houston tournament, so they aren't actually undefeated, but I don't have any decisive data on when they lost or to whom.
- Florida (FL) also lost in playoffs at both the Florida State and U. Florida tournaments, but again, I don't know when or to whom.
- Washington (IN) is probably ranked highly because they won the regular season of the Saint Joseph Valley League, which includes Saint Joseph's, who has won some good games out of conference and out of state. To my knowledge, Washington isn't competing anywhere else.
- For good information on Indiana, check out http://www.inqblots.org, which has about all the info that I have. Ben Dillon at Saint Joseph's does a good job updating that and keeping me updated as well, even if I fall behind (as I have lately).
- Schuylerville (NY) competes in some sort of tournament/league that's run by a local newspaper. They use Chip Beall questions.
- All the Vermont data you can handle is on http://www.scholarsbowl.org...or at least all I have and all of their info on the road to their state championship.

Hope that all proves helpful. I'm happy to receive any more data on teams that there are questions about, even if it may take me until the end of February to catch up. Not having internet at home until Feb. 12 will kind of set things back a bit.
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Post by btressler » Mon Feb 04, 2008 3:38 pm

Not that these schools should make anyone's top 25, but...

I did notice that a Harrisburg station is posting its TV bracket this year:

http://www.wgal.com/download/2007/1101/14478210.pdf

I don't know the format, but I suspect its Chip-ish. Manheim Township usually does respectably well when it ventures into NAQT-land.

I believe there's also a show in the Allentown area, which I actually saw on my dial one weekend. When the two teams didn't know the author of some endlessly-asked work, I turned it. Maybe Moravian can commentate.

And to mildly refute Henry's ballot, I think Stuyvesant (with Doug), State College, and Charter are even closer than that. The three have a circle-of-death going for the year. SC beat Stuy, who beat Charter (twice), who beat SC (twice, once in OT).

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Post by NKCtrashman » Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:10 pm

Stat74 wrote:Speaking of Byko's ratings, can anyone provide additional information about Wheaton North, East Lansing, Savannah, and Saint Johns (TX)? Currently they are listed as having zero losses in Byko-included tournaments. Do you know of any losses in non-listed tournaments, and if so to whom?
Savannah, MO is easily the second best team in Missouri. They aren't anywhere near one of the best teams in the nation. They rarely travel outside Missouri and when they do the results aren't favorable (5-5 in last years HSNCT). They are only ranked that high because they beat us (NKC) in a controversial manner on a weird Missouri set.

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Post by BobGHHS » Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:45 pm

Ohio feedback:

We have yet to figure out if the state is down as a whole this year, or if there is just a ton of parity... but if you're looking at the best teams...

1. Walnut Hills
2. Garfield Heights
3. Columbus Academy
4. Ottawa Hills
5. Fisher Catholic

(We dropped from most polls b/c we aren't in the mid-atlantic and haven't travelled nearly as much, so our highest profile opponent this year thus far has been DCC and they've beaten us all 3 times we've played them)

In terms of any of these teams being nationally-ranked... only WH and GH would deserve it and neither of us have played anyone yet. Columbus Academy has one great player. Unfortunately, the only teams that do a lot of travelling in Ohio are us and Tipp, and we haven't gotten out yet to VA... although the team is coming to DACQ... so we'll see how they hold up there.
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Post by AdamL » Mon Feb 04, 2008 8:42 pm

Just a quick note:
Swiss Boy wrote: 13: Chatahoochie (GA)
14: MLK Magnet (Tennessee)
15: Dorman B (SC)
There's no way Dorman B should be ranked below Chattahoochee A. They have beaten us 4 times straight, and the last 2 were HUGE blowouts (at Robinson). They've improved greatly over the past few months (we beat them twice at the beginning of the year) and are definitely among the top 10 in my opinion.
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Post by Knot Gneiss » Mon Feb 04, 2008 8:46 pm

- Saint John's (TX) lost sometime in the playoffs in the TQBA Houston tournament, so they aren't actually undefeated, but I don't have any decisive data on when they lost or to whom.
The team they lost to was Lyndon Baines Johnson A (a.k.a. LASA A).
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Post by AKKOLADE » Mon Feb 04, 2008 9:09 pm

This is a very early version and may not (probably won't be) my final draft. I'm still gathering data, but I thought a starting point would be useful. I'm hoping this will keep me from submitting another crack addled

Also, note that all teams are A teams except where noted.

1. Dorman
2. Whitman
3. Eden Prairie
4. Thomas Jefferson
5. Richard Montgomery

6. Detroit Catholic Central
7. State College
8. North Kansas City
9. Wheaton
10. Stuyvesant

11. MLK Magnet
12. Wilmington Charter
13. Chaska
14. Dorman B
15. Gonzaga

16. Maggie Walker
17. Brindlee Mountain
18. Chattahoochee
19. Wayzata
20. Brookwood

21. New Trier
22. Walton
23. Kellenberg
24. Walter Johnson
25. Auburn

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Post by cvdwightw » Mon Feb 04, 2008 11:28 pm

ihavenoidea wrote:Santa Monica:

They are the dominant team in SoCal, and I suspect in all of Cal, from what I've seen of the scores that Mission San Jose, Bentley, and Harker have put up on Byko. However, they are less potent than last year, having lost two starters and the two people who've replaced them are not as good. Still though, they should definitely be on top 25.
Santa Monica did not show up to either of the winter tournaments so far, so there's no more data on them even if Byko were to somehow find game-by-game results from those tournaments. Rancho Bernardo never plays their A team together and having beaten Santa Monica once without Jeff I have a suspicion they would be fairly competitive against SaMo with a full A team. Based on what I've seen so far, SaMo, RB, and Arcadia should make the playoffs at HSNCT and have a chance to do some damage there, but only SaMo should be getting any consideration in a top 25 poll.

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Wheaton North should be above DCC

Post by pblessman » Tue Feb 05, 2008 12:02 am

We've only played two teams deserving of a Top 25 spot: Wheaton North and DCC. I think Byko's ratings are right on choosing between them: Wheaton North is stronger than DCC, in my mind. I think Wheaton North is quicker, and their bonus conversion is just as good as DCC's.

We played DCC twice this year and there was at least a semblance of a chance of staying close for us. Wheaton North was pretty much a beatdown the whole way, even though we played pretty well against them.

P.S.: I don't any team in Indiana should be in the Top 25. St. Joe's would be my pick, if any, but they don't have any wins against a Byko Top 100 team. And Washington's only win against a Byko Top 100 team is one win against St. Joe's...

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Post by cornfused » Tue Feb 05, 2008 12:59 am

P.S. Fred, call Wheaton North... "Wheaton North". Wheaton refers to a team that is, well, at least 5 PPG worse.



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Post by Ben Dillon » Fri Feb 08, 2008 10:59 pm

Chiming in on the Indiana ratings:

My team, St. Joseph's, is something like 36-5 now, but with only a few games against out-of-state competition, we don't rate a top 25 mention. (On NAQT format, I'd guess us to be the best team in the state.)

Culver, however, has several games outside the state, so they can be judged a bit more impartially. I'd guess Harrison to be about equal to Culver this year.

Of the rest: #1 Washington is a one-man team (granted, the one man is FANTASTIC), but DCC would wipe them out as they did us a few weeks ago. Others (e.g. Penn, Fishers, Center Grove) are worth watching, but they rarely play tournaments.
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Post by DrakeRQB » Sat Feb 16, 2008 6:30 pm

leftsaidfred wrote:I'd like info on those teams and:
North Carolina Science & Math
They have a team that is good, but inconsistent. My A team got nicked by them in the finals at UNC back in October, and they lost in the finals at Saint Mary's last weekend (beating Raleigh Charter A in the semifinals both times). Then, when they came to the Speedway Shootout at Robinson in October they couldn't even make the quarterfinals. If you can catch them on a humanities-heavy packet, they're pretty easily had.
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Post by AKKOLADE » Fri Feb 22, 2008 9:01 am

We have something like six ballots right now. I would like to get more before I release the results, so I'll extend this for another week until February 29, 2008.
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Post by mistermoravian » Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:54 pm

Since we at Moravian compete in only a handful of tournaments each year (and mostly during the second semester), it's understandable that we're usually overlooked in these rankings. But considering that so far we've come within one tossup of beating both Dorman and Wilmington Charter A at Harvard and Kellenberg, respectively, I'd make the *biased* case for including Moravian in your predictions for the NAQT HSNCT. Unfortunately, we won't be able to attend PACE NSC this year because it conflicts with graduation, where my absence would be noticed in a class of, uh, 65 or so.

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Post by BobGHHS » Fri Feb 22, 2008 5:27 pm

I'm going to echo what Ben said except we play a ton of tournaments, mostly local... with the exception of DCC and Russell, we haven't seen any other powerhouse teams yet this year outside of Ohio. The team will be at WoQ though, so it should be a good gauge of how far along we are and how we might do at HSNCT.
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Ok, I've shipped that digression off to the Forbidden Zone. If you liked it that much I can move it into AHAN Jr. and you can smash each other some more.
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Post by AKKOLADE » Sat Feb 23, 2008 1:14 am

BuzzerZen wrote:Ok, I've shipped that digression off to the Forbidden Zone. If you liked it that much I can move it into AHAN Jr. and you can smash each other some more.
It can stay dead thanks.
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Post by fluffy4102 » Mon Feb 25, 2008 8:03 pm

logicisgood wrote:
- Saint John's (TX) lost sometime in the playoffs in the TQBA Houston tournament, so they aren't actually undefeated, but I don't have any decisive data on when they lost or to whom.
The team they lost to was Lyndon Baines Johnson A (a.k.a. LASA A).
http://www.texasquizbowl.org/
Actually St. John's has had two losses in NAQT format: one to LASA in the finals of the TQBA, one to Bellaire A in the prelims this past Saturday (2/23). St. John's later beat Bellaire in the finals. LASA did not attend. The statistics, excepting the finals, are posted on texasquizbowl.org

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Re: 07-08 Midseason Poll

Post by tomburr » Tue Feb 26, 2008 7:42 pm

Florida here:

I'm from the South Fork quiz bowl team.

Once again, it seems like the caliber of Florida quizbowl teams falls behind that of the Chesapeake and North East region teams.

If I recall, some of the better teams are Rickards, Pensacola, Taylor, Florida High, and Ransom Everglades. Our only high-school level loss this year has come at the hands of Florida High during the UF Winter tournament, and I believe they lost to either Pensacola or Rickards after us.

I'm not quite sure if any of the Florida teams would rank in the top 25.

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Re: 07-08 Midseason Poll

Post by Ford08 » Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:35 pm

North Kansas City are madmen, well Charlies Dees is anyway.
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Post by BuzzerZen » Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:43 pm

Ford08 wrote:North Kansas City are madmen, well Charlies Dees is anyway.
Of this, my friend, we are all too well-aware.
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Post by BuzzerZen » Sun Mar 02, 2008 1:54 pm

Results coming soon, Fred?
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Re: 07-08 Midseason Poll

Post by theattachment » Sun Mar 02, 2008 5:07 pm

BuzzerZen wrote:Results coming soon, Fred?
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Re: 07-08 Midseason Poll

Post by AKKOLADE » Sun Mar 02, 2008 5:11 pm

Unofficial Results:

1. Bryce Avery
2. Girl Scouts Tagalongs
3. Brice Avery
4. Pat Freeburn
5. You (imagine this thread has a quasi-reflective square of paper on the front of it, with inane articles inside)

Look for further results in the next 48 hours.
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Re: 07-08 Midseason Poll

Post by dschafer » Sun Mar 02, 2008 5:31 pm

leftsaidfred wrote:Unofficial Results:

1. Bryce Avery
2. Girl Scouts Tagalongs
3. Brice Avery
4. Pat Freeburn
5. You (imagine this thread has a quasi-reflective square of paper on the front of it, with inane articles inside)

Look for further results in the next 48 hours.
Anyone who ranked Tagalongs above Samoas clearly didn't do enough research; just off hand, I can think of three or four weekends when Samoas consistently got 5 PPB better than Tagalongs.
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Re: 07-08 Midseason Poll

Post by AKKOLADE » Sun Mar 02, 2008 6:21 pm

I think you're vastly underestimating Tagalong's performance. Granted, no one part of the Tagalong team quite matches up to that of caramel for Samoa A, but when one considers the combined accomplishments of chocolate, peanut butter and cookie for Tagalong, I believe one would be hard pressed to deny that the comparison between these two teams of deliciousness is a close one. Unfortunately, packaging is something of a buzzer rock for Tagalong.

Also, you graduated from the robot factory and (please don't take this as a personal attack, but just a statement of fact) as such you may not have taste buds. This would unfortunately make you biased against foodstuffs in your rankings. Of course, if you have synthesized tasting capabilities, please ignore this critique.
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Re: 07-08 Midseason Poll

Post by Gunnells » Sun Mar 02, 2008 6:31 pm

Look, I'm not saying Tagalongs aren't good, but it is nigh impossible to make any sort of meaningful comparison betwen them and non-Girl Scout cookies. Maybe Tagalongs are the best cookie out there, but maybe they are merely a very strong cookie beating up on sub-par Girl Scout competition. Until they go out and play Famous Amos or even Chips Ahoy! level opponents, you just can't say with any degree of certainty.

It is even tougher to figure out what to do with Thin Mints. They've finished second to Tagalongs in every competiton, yet they've clearly distinguished themselves from the rest of the Girl Scout pack. I can't begin to decide what this says about them until they get some matches against non-Girl Scout competition.

I guess on March 15, we'll finally start to get some answers.
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Re: 07-08 Midseason Poll

Post by dschafer » Sun Mar 02, 2008 7:51 pm

leftsaidfred wrote:I think you're vastly underestimating Tagalong's performance. Granted, no one part of the Tagalong team quite matches up to that of caramel for Samoa A, but when one considers the combined accomplishments of chocolate, peanut butter and cookie for Tagalong, I believe one would be hard pressed to deny that the comparison between these two teams of deliciousness is a close one. Unfortunately, packaging is something of a buzzer rock for Tagalong.

Also, you graduated from the robot factory and (please don't take this as a personal attack, but just a statement of fact) as such you may not have taste buds. This would unfortunately make you biased against foodstuffs in your rankings. Of course, if you have synthesized tasting capabilities, please ignore this critique.
Not a personal attack at all; I have grown to accept the limitations of my robot-factory education. I have upgraded to have some flavor detection mechanisms, but I suspect they are far less discerning that most non-robot observers. However, I think my lack of "true" taste buds gives me a good perspective on this comparison; those with taste buds might be too close to each of the sides in this debate to give a truly unbiased opinion of the teams.

My main concern with Tagalong is how much of a subject overlap they have; chocolate and peanut butter seem to cover a lot of the same flavor-related areas, and there is nobody on Tagalong that can even approach the textural strength of Samoa's coconut. On the other hand, Samoa does seem to have a lot of holes in its subject coverage, especially at the core of the usual distributions.

Regarding Thin Mints: The key here seems to be how the difficulty jump will affect them at nationals. When they start getting matched up against the strong sides on tougher questions, I think we might see them crumble.
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Re: 07-08 Midseason Poll

Post by pray for elves » Sun Mar 02, 2008 7:57 pm

ALL OF YOU GOT DO-SI-DOED

YOU WILL FEEL THE PAIN FROM THE DO-SI-DOS AT NATIONALS
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Re: 07-08 Midseason Poll

Post by Trevkeeper » Sun Mar 02, 2008 10:54 pm

By definition, wouldn't tagalongs not be able to lead their team to victory?
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Re: 07-08 Midseason Poll

Post by AKKOLADE » Mon Mar 03, 2008 5:52 pm

Trevkeeper wrote:By definition, wouldn't tagalongs not be able to lead their team to victory?
They could form a daisy chain of victory.
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Re: 07-08 Midseason Poll

Post by AKKOLADE » Mon Mar 03, 2008 5:53 pm

We got 12 votes; I'm currently counting votes; should have something up this evening.
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Re: 07-08 Midseason Poll

Post by Youse Da Force » Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:30 pm

In case anyone cares, I recently discovered that all the names changed for Girl Scout cookies...
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Re: 07-08 Midseason Poll

Post by AKKOLADE » Mon Mar 03, 2008 8:49 pm

1. Dorman A (297 - 9 of 12 first place votes) +0
2. Walt Whitman (291 - 3 of 12 first place votes) +3
3. Thomas Jefferson A (266) -1
4. Eden Prairie A (259) +6
5. Richard Montgomery (236) -1
6. Wilmington Charter (22) +0
7. Stuyvesant (201) +1
8. North Kansas City (189) -1
9. Dorman B (182)+5
10. East Lansing (180) +1
11. State College (179) +1
12. MLK Magnet (176) -9
13. Detroit Catholic Central (170) +9
14. Wheaton North (157) new
15. Gonzaga (112) -6
16. Chattahoochee (104) +8
17. Hunter (84) -5
18. Maggie Walker (76) -2
19. Chaska (65) new
20. Walter Johnson (64) -5
21. Santa Monica (46) -3
22. Walton (44) new
23. Brindlee Mountain (42) +2
24. Brookwood (34) new
25. New Trier (33) new

Also receiving votes: Savannah (31); Wayzata (29); Thomas Jefferson B (28); Rockford Auburn (24); Moravian (20); St. John's (12); Kellenberg (11); Dunbar (9); Eden Prairie B (8); Garfield Heights (5); Cave Spring (5); Seton Hall (4); Wilmington Charter B (3); James Island (2); Collegiate (1); Rancho Bernardo (1)

Edit by Evan: Change in ranking within the top 25 since the pre-season poll added. Teams new to the top 25 noted. Teams dropped from the top 25 italicized in the "already receiving votes" section.
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Re: 07-08 Midseason Poll

Post by AKKOLADE » Mon Mar 03, 2008 8:53 pm

Matt Weiner, channeling his inner aarcoh wrote: whitman
2 dorman a
3 thomas jefferson a
4 eden prairie
5 wheaton north
6 dorman b
7 wilmington charter a
8 mlk (tn)
9 stuyvesant
10 richard montgomery
11 thomas jefferson b
12 maggie walker
13 north kansas city
14 savannah (mo)
15 east lansing
16 detroit catholic central
17 state college
18 eden prairie b
19 chattahoochee
20 brindlee mountain
21 cave spring (va)
22 auburn (il)
23 brookwood
24 dunbar
25 collegiate (va)
Adam Liem wrote: Dorman A (SC)
2. Walt Whitman (MD)
3. TJ (VA)
4. State College (PA)
5. Wilmington Charter (DE)
6. Eden Prairie (MN)
7. Richard Montgomery (MD)
8. Stuyvesant (NY)
9. Dorman B (SC)
10. NKC (MO)
11. DCC (MI)
12. Gonzaga (MD/DC)
13. East Lansing (MI)
14. Chattahoochee (GA)
15. Wheaton North (IL)
16. MLK (TN)
17. Hunter (NY)
18. Auburn (IL)
19. Santa Monica (CA)
20. Walter Johnson (MD)
21. New Trier (IL)
22. Brookwood (GA)
23. Maggie Walker (VA)
24. Dunbar (KY)
25. Brindlee A (AL)
Evan Silberman wrote: 1. Whitman A, MD
2. Dorman A, SC
3. TJ A, VA
4. Eden Prairie A, MN
5. MLK Magnet, TN
6. Richard Montgomery A, MD
7. East Lansing A, MI
8. Wilmington Charter A, DE
9. Dorman B, SC
10. North Kansas City A, MO
11. Hunter College A, NY
12. Stuyvesant A, NY
13. TJ B, VA
14. Maggie Walker A, VA
15. State College A, PA
16. Gonzaga A, DC
17. Moravian A, PA
18. St. John's A, TX
19. Walter Johnson A, MD
20. DCC A, MI
21. Chatahoochee A, GA
22. Kellenberg A, NY
23. Wilmington Charter B, DE
24. Brindlee Mountain A, GA
25. Auburn A, IL
Kevin Leahy wrote:1) Whitman-MD
2) Dorman-SC
3) Thomas Jefferson-VA
4) Eden Prairie-MN
5) East Lansing-MI
6) Detroit Catholic Central-MI
7) Wilmington Charter-DE
8) Stuyvesant-NY
9) North Kansas City-MO
10) State College-PA
11) Richard Montgomery-MD
12) Dorman B-SC
13) Gonzaga-Washington, DC
14) MLK Magnet-TN
15) Hunter-NY
16) Wheaton North-IL
17) Savannah-GA
18) Chatahoochee-GA
19) Brookwood-GA
20) Walton-GA
21) Walter Johnson-MD
22) New Trier-IL
23) Brindlee Mountain-AL
24) Maggie Walker Governor's School-VA
25) Auburn-Rockford, IL
Colin O'Donnell wrote:1. Dorman A, Roebuck, SC
2. Walt Whitman, Bethesda, MD
3. Thomas Jefferson, Alexandria, VA
4. Eden Prairie, MN
5. Richard Montgomery, Rockville, MD
6. Wheaton North, Wheaton, IL
7. Detroit Catholic Central, Detroit, MI
8. Gonzaga, Washington DC
9. Chaska, MN
10. Dorman B, Roebuck, SC
11. Charter, Wilmington, DE
12. East Lansing, East Lansing, MI
13. Stuyvesant, NYC
14. North Kansas City, MO
15. Maggie Walker, Richmond, VA
16. State College, PA
17. MLK, Nashville, TN
18. Hunter, NYC
19. Walton, Marietta, GA
20. Brindlee Mountain, Guntersville, AL
21. Santa Monica, CA
22. Walter Johnson, Bethesda, MD
23. Chattahoochee, Alpharetta, GA
24. New Trier, IL
25. Wayzata B, MN
Adam Marshall wrote:1. Dorman
2. Whitman
3. Thomas Jefferson
4. Eden Prairie
5. Richard Montgomery
6. Charter
7. East Lansing
8. State College
9. North Kansas City
10. Stuyvesant
11. Wheaton North
12. Detroit Catholic Central
13. Dorman B
14. MLK Magnet
15. Santa Monica
16. Chattahoochee
17. Gonzaga
18. Walter Johnson
19. Walton
20. Wayzata
21. Brookwood
22. Hunter
23. Brindlee Mountain
24. Kellenberg
25. Rockford Auburn
Gautam Kandlikar wrote:1. Dorman A
2. Whitman A
3. Richard Montgomery A
4. MLK Magnet A
5. Eden Prairie A
6. Stuyvesant A
7. North Kansas City A
8. Charter A
9. Thomas Jefferson A
10. Hunter
11. Walter Johnson
12. Santa Monica
13. State College A
14. Dorman B
15. Moravian
16. East Lansing
17. Chaska
18. Brindless Mountain A
19. Wayzata A
20. Gonzaga A
21. Wheaton North
22. Dunbar
23. Chattahoochee
24. Detroit Catholic Central
25. Rancho Bernardo
Dave Bykowski wrote:1. Dorman A (SC)
2. Walt Whitman A (MD)
3. Eden Prairie A (MN)
4. Wheaton North A (IL)
5. East Lansing A (MI)
6. Thomas Jefferson A (VA)
7. Richard Montgomery A (MD)
8. Detroit Catholic Central A (MI)
9. Charter A (DE)
10. North Kansas City A (MO)
11. State College A (PA)
12. Dorman B (SC)
13. Stuyvesant A (NY)
14. Chattahoochee A (GA)
15. MLK Magnet A (TN)
16. Savannah A (MO)
17. Chaska A (MN)
18. Wayzata A (MN)
19. Walton A (GA)
20. Brookwood A (GA)
21. Gonzaga A (DC)
22. Saint John's A (TX)
23. Rockford Auburn A (IL)
24. New Trier A (IL)
25. Maggie Walker Governor's School A (VA)
George Stevens wrote:Dorman A (SC)
Walt Whitman (MD)
TJ (VA)
State College (PA)
Wilmington Charter (DE)
Eden Prairie (MN)
Stuyvesant (NY)
Richard Montgomery (MD)
Dorman B (SC)
NKC (MO)
DCC (MI)
MLK (TN)
Gonzaga
Wheaton North (IL)
East Lansing (MI)
Chattahoochee (GA)
Hunter (NY)
New Trier
Santa Monica (CA)
Auburn (Rockford) (IL)
Walter Johnson
Garfield Heights (OH)
Maggie Walker (VA)
Brookwood (GA)
Dunbar (KY)
Henry Gorman wrote:1: Dorman (SC)
2: Whitman (MD)
3: Thomas Jefferson (VA)
4: Richard Montgomery (MD)
5: Wilmington Charter (DE)
6: Eden Prarie (Minnesota)
7: East Lansing (Michigan)
8: Stuyvesant (NY)
9: North Kansas City (MO)
10: Detroit Catholic Central (Michigan)
11: State College (PA)
12: Wheaton North (IL)
13: Chatahoochie (GA)
14: MLK Magnet (Tennessee)
15: Dorman B (SC)
16: Gonzaga (DC)
17: Walton (GA)
18: New Trier (IL)
19: Chaska (Minnesota)
20: Maggie Walker Governor's School (VA)
21: Walter Johnson (MD)
22: Brindlee Mountain A (AL)
23: Hunter (NY)
24: James Island A (SC)
25: Brookwood A (GA)
Trevor Davis wrote:1. Dorman (SC)
2. Walt Whitman (MD)
3. Thomas Jefferson (VA)
4. Eden Prairie (MN)
5. Richard Montgomery (MD)
6. MLK Magnet (TN)
7. Stuyvesant (NY)
8. Wilmington Charter (DE)
9. Dorman B (SC)
10. East Lansing (MI)
11. Detroit Central Catholic (MI)
12. Maggie Walker (VA)
13. Chattahoochee (GA)
14. North Kansas City (MO)
15. Chaska (MN)
16. Wheaton North (IL)
17. State College (PA)
18. Walton (GA)
19. Walter Johnson (MD)
20. Hunter (NY)
21. Kellenberg (NY)
22. Seton Hall (NJ)
23. Gonzaga (DC)
24. Santa Monica (CA)
25. Brookwood (GA)
Fred Morlan wrote:1. Dorman
2. Whitman
3. Eden Prairie
4. Thomas Jefferson
5. Richard Montgomery
6. Detroit Catholic Central
7. State College
8. North Kansas City
9. Wheaton North
10. Stuyvesant
11. MLK Magnet
12. Dorman B
13. Wilmington Charter
14. Chaska
15. Gonzaga
16. Maggie Walker
17. Brindlee Mountain
18. Chattahoochee
19. Wayzata
20. East Lansing
21. Brookwood
22. New Trier
23. Hunter
24. Walter Johnson
25. Garfield Heights
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Re: 07-08 Midseason Poll

Post by The Atom Strikes! » Mon Mar 03, 2008 9:32 pm

These poll results don't look terribly surprising...
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Re: 07-08 Midseason Poll

Post by theattachment » Mon Mar 03, 2008 11:40 pm

Makes sense. A lot of sense. How many points did Charter actually get?

Oh, and Matt, Chaska's better than our B team by a lot.
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Re: 07-08 Midseason Poll

Post by Auks Ran Ova » Mon Mar 03, 2008 11:57 pm

Colin O'Donnell wrote:25. Wayzata B, MN
haha what

edit: Okay, there was some good justification.
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Re: 07-08 Midseason Poll

Post by theattachment » Tue Mar 04, 2008 12:18 am

Skate or Die wrote:
Colin O'Donnell wrote:25. Wayzata B, MN
haha what

edit: Okay, there was some good justification.
I thought I got banned for belligerently making that point before.
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