Harvard Mirror in GA (11-15-08)

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Harvard Mirror in GA (11-15-08)

Post by Gunnells » Mon Sep 08, 2008 9:59 pm

Rabun Gap-Nacoochee School would like to invite any interested teams from the Atlanta-South Carolina-Tennessee circuit and beyond to attend our Harvard Mirror held in conjunction with the third annual Harvard Fall Tournament on Saturday, November 15, 2008.

We are a PACE affiliated qualifier.

Rabun Gap is within a two hour drive of Gwinnett County, GA; Greenville, SC; Athens, GA; and Asheville, NC. We are a new program, and we would love to welcome teams from throughout the area to our campus for our inaugural tournament, including NE Georgia teams and "B" squads from programs attending the actual Harvard event.

The registration fee is $60.

We are likely to follow a traditional (for the Southeast) format of informally seeded pool play, followed by a single elimination seeded playoff.

If you are interested or have further questions, please email cgunnells at rabun gap D O T org
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Re: Harvard Mirror in GA (11-15-08)

Post by CSQuizJags » Thu Sep 18, 2008 9:27 am

Chad, we may just be able to bring a team (or two or three) as we didnt get the bid for TRASH Regionals. I have to find a parent willing to drive the team and I up there for the day. I can read if need be.
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Re: Harvard Mirror in GA (11-15-08)

Post by NorcrossA » Sun Sep 21, 2008 7:46 pm

Is there a limit to the number of teams each school can send?

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Re: Harvard Mirror in GA (11-15-08)

Post by Rountree » Mon Sep 22, 2008 1:44 pm

Chattahoochee will likely send 2+ teams. Thanks for hosting this Gunnells; I look forward to seeing your new stomping grounds.
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Re: Harvard Mirror in GA (11-15-08)

Post by Gunnells » Tue Sep 23, 2008 5:18 pm

There is no limit to the number of teams per school. If we approach a point where we need to cap the field, I'll let everyone know.
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Re: Harvard Mirror in GA (11-15-08)

Post by Silly Child » Thu Sep 25, 2008 9:03 pm

Why have I never hear of this school?
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Re: Harvard Mirror in GA (11-15-08)

Post by Gunnells » Sun Oct 05, 2008 9:34 pm

Update: There are tentative plans to run two divisions for this event. There will be a National field composed of teams that either qualified for national events in 2007-2008 or are likely to qualify in 2008-2009, and an Open field for everyone else. Each division will have entirely different preliminary pools and playoff brackets. The winners of each field will receive trophies. The only difference is the National field will use the more difficult version of the Harvard questions for the playoffs.

In order to have a National field, we'd prefer at least eight teams. Teams that have already expressed interest and would likely play in the National field include:

Chattahoochee A and B
Central Gwinnett A
Norcross A
Walton

Teams that would play in the Open Division:
Cedar Shoals (1 or 2)
Central Gwinnett B
Norcross B
St. Pius (2)
Rabun Gap Nacoochee School (host)

Undertermined:
Alpharetta

I will update the field as confirmations arrive.
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Re: Harvard Mirror in GA (11-15-08)

Post by mwfree » Thu Oct 09, 2008 11:51 am

St. Pius X would love to enter 2 teams.
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Re: Harvard Mirror in GA (11-15-08)

Post by Gunnells » Fri Oct 17, 2008 2:02 pm

Field updated

Alpharetta
Chattahoochee A and B
Central Gwinnett A
Norcross A
Walton


Teams that would play in the Open Division:
Athens Academy (2)
Baconton Charter (2)
Cedar Shoals
Central Gwinnett B
Norcross B
St. Pius (2)
Wesleyan
Rabun Gap Nacoochee School (2, host)
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Re: Harvard Mirror in GA (11-15-08)

Post by Gunnells » Mon Nov 03, 2008 6:35 pm

Still time to get into this Harvard Mirror.
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Re: Harvard Mirror in GA (11-15-08)

Post by Andrew's a Freshman » Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:51 pm

Norcross may end up with only one team. We'll keep you posted.
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Re: Harvard Mirror in GA (11-15-08)

Post by mwfree » Tue Nov 04, 2008 12:07 pm

St. Pius X will bring 2 teams.

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Re: Harvard Mirror in GA (11-15-08)

Post by Rountree » Tue Nov 04, 2008 9:58 pm

Chad, is Walton still attending your tournament? Gazi Rashid (of Walton) posted on the GA thread that they were not. Please confirm or deny. Thanks! We look forward to seeing you next weekend.
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Re: Harvard Mirror in GA (11-15-08)

Post by Gunnells » Wed Nov 05, 2008 2:47 pm

Walton has confirmed their participation.
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Re: Harvard Mirror in GA (11-15-08)

Post by AlphaQuizBowler » Thu Nov 06, 2008 7:09 pm

Mr. Gunnells,
I'm not sure if you got my email, but I was just wondering if you could tell us when the tournament will start and about when it will end.
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Re: Harvard Mirror in GA (11-15-08)

Post by Gunnells » Fri Nov 07, 2008 12:23 pm

Registration begins at 8:00 am with the first round scheduled for 9:00 am.
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Re: Harvard Mirror in GA (11-15-08)

Post by Gunnells » Sun Nov 09, 2008 10:02 pm

Final field update

The National Division will play a round robin followed by seeded* double elimination playoffs with the more challenging Harvard playoff questions. They will also use the Championship level questions for the final round(s). Each team will thus get a minimum of seven potentially competitive matches with a theoretical maximum of eleven.

National Division
Alpharetta
Central Gwinnett
Chattahoochee A
Chattahoochee B
Norcross
Walton


The Open Division will play five round robin matches, followed by a seeded* single elimination tournament. The playoffs will be seeded so that, should seeds hold, Green #1 will meet White #1 in the finals. All rounds will use regulation difficulty level Harvard questions. Each team is guaranteed a minimum of six rounds with a potential maximum of nine.

Green
Athens Academy B
Baconton Charter B
Central Gwinnett (b)
Norcross (b)
St. Pius A
Rabun Gap A

White
Athens Academy A
Baconton Charter A
Cedar Shoals
St. Pius B
Wesleyan
Rabun Gap B


* If necessary and practical, the lower seeded team from multiple entry schools will be moved down one slot in the seedings to avoid playing the other squad for as long as possible.
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Re: Harvard Mirror in GA (11-15-08)

Post by Rountree » Mon Nov 10, 2008 12:19 pm

This sounds great! Our team is looking forward to playing several rounds of good questions against some top notch competition on Saturday. I think 7 guaranteed matches is awesome, especially considering the size of the National Division. (That is 1-2 more rounds than most tournaments in our region guarantee us.) Thanks again Chad for putting this together. We'll see you soon!
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Re: Harvard Mirror in GA (11-15-08)

Post by phuynh99 » Thu Nov 13, 2008 2:45 pm

Is Walton going to Harvard Mirror?
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Re: Harvard Mirror in GA (11-15-08)

Post by grashid » Thu Nov 13, 2008 7:09 pm

phuynh99 wrote:Is Walton going to Harvard Mirror?
I hope you don't mind if I answer, Mr.Gunnells, but yes, we are.
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Re: Harvard Mirror in GA (11-15-08)

Post by CSQuizJags » Sat Nov 15, 2008 8:28 pm

Not sure of the outcomes yet (I know in the Open Div the final match was Athens Academy A vs. Central Gwinnett, not sure of National), but I wanted to tell Chad that my team really enjoyed the day in the mountains. The questions in our division were pretty good (I'll leave the critique to the seasoned vets) and we had some close matches (especially the playoff match that bumped us out- it ranks right up there with the "coin toss" match at Brookwood in 2006). Yeah there were some glitches, but Chad and the RGNS people did a lot to make sure things went OK, and I really hope this event takes off. We will make every effort to be back the next go around.

Plus....going to the Dillard House afterward rocked! :)

Thanks for a good tournament.
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Re: Harvard Mirror in GA (11-15-08)

Post by Gunnells » Sun Nov 16, 2008 8:37 pm

Thanks Robin. Hosting for the first time was quite a learning experience. We learned quite a bit to apply next time (particularly to stagger the lunch release).

Results:

National
1. Chattahoochee
2. Walton
3. Chattahoochee B
4. Alpharetta
5. Central Gwinnett

Open:
1. Central Gwinnett (b)
2. Athens Academy

Semifinalists:
Wesleyan
St. Pius A


We should get the match scores and full results posted in the next couple of days.
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Re: Harvard Mirror in GA (11-15-08)

Post by Rountree » Mon Nov 17, 2008 12:16 pm

I'm not sure how the final standings were calculated, but CHS B knocked Alpharetta out of the playoffs and thus made it a round further than they did. I assumed that meant CHS B would have finished 3rd and Alpharetta 4th, but perhaps I am missing something?

The tournament ran fine I thought, particularly for their first time hosting. The scenery around campus was beautiful and the drive up was very pleasant. I thought the questions were very good (other than the few bonus repeats). Thanks again Chad for hosting this event. We look forward to next year.
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Re: Harvard Mirror in GA (11-15-08)

Post by AlphaQuizBowler » Mon Nov 17, 2008 6:28 pm

Thank you Mr. Gunnells for hosting this. It was great to have an opportunity to hear the Harvard questions in competition without having to travel to Boston. I did think that we would place 4th after being eliminated by Chatt B, but I don't know how you determined final rankings. My only complaint was that the logistical problems precluded us from doing the double round robin and advantaged finals, which I would have preferred to the double elim. I am wondering why we delayed the tournament for the late team, and why the campus grill's capacity to serve wasn't known beforehand. All in all, though, we still got to play 7 rounds of high-quality questions against great teams, so I was satisfied. I look forward to future RGNS tournaments.
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Re: Harvard Mirror in GA (11-15-08)

Post by Gunnells » Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:16 pm

The uneven number of teams due to the late withdrawal of Norcross made for uneven brackets that would have forced 10 rounds to get a double round robin. At lunch, it became apparent that was not a practical option and we switched to the double elimination following the first round robin.
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Re: Harvard Mirror in GA (11-15-08)

Post by AKKOLADE » Tue Dec 16, 2008 6:49 pm

Do we have stats for this?
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Re: Harvard Mirror in GA (11-15-08)

Post by grashid » Tue Dec 16, 2008 8:23 pm

FredMorlan wrote:Do we have stats for this?
No.
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Re: Harvard Mirror in GA (11-15-08)

Post by AKKOLADE » Tue Dec 16, 2008 10:50 pm

grashid wrote:
FredMorlan wrote:Do we have stats for this?
No.
Is this a "stats were not kept" response or a "stats have yet to be posted" response?
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Re: Harvard Mirror in GA (11-15-08)

Post by grashid » Wed Dec 17, 2008 12:46 am

Sorry about the vagueness. At least in the upper division, stats were not kept for us.
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Re: Harvard Mirror in GA (11-15-08)

Post by grashid » Sun Jan 11, 2009 10:28 pm

Could the tournament director please post team stats for this tournament? I think PACE needs them for the top teams to qualify for nationals.
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