HSQBRank Game - match the adjustments to the set
HSQBRank Game - match the adjustments to the set
I'm going to have a ridiculous week and probably won't get the rankings posted until this weekend. To try to keep you all at bay, here's a list of the tournaments I'm using and the adjustment values I'm using.
However, because I will need distraction, I'm going to leave it up to you all to figure out as a community which value correlates with which set.
Remember that the harder a set is, the higher and more positive the number is. At the same time, the easier it is, the lower a number it is. I have set normal IS sets as 0, so the closer you are to this (either positive or negative), the closer to that difficulty it is.
Have fun, knock yourselves out. I'll answer questions as I can.
However, because I will need distraction, I'm going to leave it up to you all to figure out as a community which value correlates with which set.
Remember that the harder a set is, the higher and more positive the number is. At the same time, the easier it is, the lower a number it is. I have set normal IS sets as 0, so the closer you are to this (either positive or negative), the closer to that difficulty it is.
Have fun, knock yourselves out. I'll answer questions as I can.
Fred Morlan
University of Kentucky CoP, 2017
International Quiz Bowl Tournaments, CEO, co-owner
former PACE member, president, etc.
former hsqbrank manager, former NAQT writer & subject editor, former hsqb Administrator/Chief Administrator
University of Kentucky CoP, 2017
International Quiz Bowl Tournaments, CEO, co-owner
former PACE member, president, etc.
former hsqbrank manager, former NAQT writer & subject editor, former hsqb Administrator/Chief Administrator
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Re: HSQBRank Game - match the adjustments to the set
HFT, in my head: -0.04
HFT, actually: 3.63, probably
HFT, according to memes: 8.64...*10^10
HFT, actually: 3.63, probably
HFT, according to memes: 8.64...*10^10
Raynor Kuang
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Re: HSQBRank Game - match the adjustments to the set
I originally thought this post meant that A-sets would have a bonus adjustment of 8.64 (didn't read the text). I am not a smart man.
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Re: HSQBRank Game - match the adjustments to the set
you both are just winning the advice to spay and neuter your pets
Fred Morlan
University of Kentucky CoP, 2017
International Quiz Bowl Tournaments, CEO, co-owner
former PACE member, president, etc.
former hsqbrank manager, former NAQT writer & subject editor, former hsqb Administrator/Chief Administrator
University of Kentucky CoP, 2017
International Quiz Bowl Tournaments, CEO, co-owner
former PACE member, president, etc.
former hsqbrank manager, former NAQT writer & subject editor, former hsqb Administrator/Chief Administrator
Re: HSQBRank Game - match the adjustments to the set
alright, so as a college student who didn't play in HS, I have no idea what any of the HS tournaments are. Having said that, I'll guess that Terrapin is the hardest and ACF Fall the second hardest, since those seem to be the only college tournaments there. I'll also guess that MSNCT is the easiest (although I actually don't know whether the middle school NCT is supposed to be easier than easy high school sets).
Conor Thompson (he/it)
Bangor High School '16
University of Michigan '20
Iowa State University '25
Tournament Format Database
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Re: HSQBRank Game - match the adjustments to the set
As far as I can tell (and correct me if I'm wrong), six sets advertised as something easier than regular HS difficulty - SCOP, HSAPQ Novice, Penn Novice, SMART, NAQT's A-sets, and MSNCT. There are six numbers more negative than 2 after a large gap between -2 and ~-0.5. If those six sets aren't those six numbers, somebody's got some 'splainin to do.
I'll put down a bet that MSNCT is the -3.5 (or harder) and SCOP's the -5. Not just to be interesting and contrarian, but to reflect the audiences of the sets and how they'd likely end up doing on other sets.
I'll also make the guess that HFT isn't in the top-3 hardest sets. (Which is really just to say "not 3rd," because Terrapin and ACF Fall surely are #1 and #2.) I could see SSNCT or a housewrite sneak ahead of it.
I'll put down a bet that MSNCT is the -3.5 (or harder) and SCOP's the -5. Not just to be interesting and contrarian, but to reflect the audiences of the sets and how they'd likely end up doing on other sets.
I'll also make the guess that HFT isn't in the top-3 hardest sets. (Which is really just to say "not 3rd," because Terrapin and ACF Fall surely are #1 and #2.) I could see SSNCT or a housewrite sneak ahead of it.
Brad Fischer
Head Editor, IHSA State Series
IHSSBCA Chair
Winnebago HS ('06)
Northern Illinois University ('10)
Assistant Coach, IMSA (2010-12)
Coach, Keith Country Day School (2012-16)
Head Editor, IHSA State Series
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Winnebago HS ('06)
Northern Illinois University ('10)
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Coach, Keith Country Day School (2012-16)
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Re: HSQBRank Game - match the adjustments to the set
Omitting Northmont, a set with which I am not familiar, my best guess for this is something like:
Terrapin, ACF Fall, VTACO, HFT, SSNCT, Delta Burke, GSAC, Columbia, WHAQ, BASQT, LIST, SCOP, SMART, Penn Novice, HSAPQ Novice, A Set, MSNCT16
Terrapin, ACF Fall, VTACO, HFT, SSNCT, Delta Burke, GSAC, Columbia, WHAQ, BASQT, LIST, SCOP, SMART, Penn Novice, HSAPQ Novice, A Set, MSNCT16
Re: HSQBRank Game - match the adjustments to the set
My guesses:
1. Terrapin
2. ACF Fall
3. HFT
4. Delta Burke
5. SSNCT 16
6. Columbia
7. BASQT
8. GSAC
9. Northmont
10. VTACO
11. WHAQ
12. LIST
13. SMART
14. Penn Novice
15. SCOP
16. A-Set
17. HSAPQ Novice
18. MSNCT 16
*Based on recently posted stats, BHSAT seems to be pretty difficult in terms of bonus conversion. I'm gonna predict at least a +2.5 adjustment value.
1. Terrapin
2. ACF Fall
3. HFT
4. Delta Burke
5. SSNCT 16
6. Columbia
7. BASQT
8. GSAC
9. Northmont
10. VTACO
11. WHAQ
12. LIST
13. SMART
14. Penn Novice
15. SCOP
16. A-Set
17. HSAPQ Novice
18. MSNCT 16
*Based on recently posted stats, BHSAT seems to be pretty difficult in terms of bonus conversion. I'm gonna predict at least a +2.5 adjustment value.
Jon Suh
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Re: HSQBRank Game - match the adjustments to the set
As someone who has only played 3 out of 18 sets, here is my guess.
1. Terrapin
2. HFT
3. ACF Fall
4. Delta Burke
5. BASQT
6. SSNCT 16
7. Columbia
8. GSAC 23
9. WHAQ
10. LIST
11. VTACO
12. Northmont
13. SMART
14. A-Set
15. MSNCT 16
16. HSAPQ Novice
17. Penn Novice
18. SCOP
1. Terrapin
2. HFT
3. ACF Fall
4. Delta Burke
5. BASQT
6. SSNCT 16
7. Columbia
8. GSAC 23
9. WHAQ
10. LIST
11. VTACO
12. Northmont
13. SMART
14. A-Set
15. MSNCT 16
16. HSAPQ Novice
17. Penn Novice
18. SCOP
Antonio Jimenez
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Re: HSQBRank Game - match the adjustments to the set
1) Terrapin
2) HFT
3) ACF Fall
4) Delta Burke
5) BASQT
6) LIST
7) WHAQ
8) GSAC
9) VTACO
10) Columbia
11) Northmont
12) SSNCT 2k16
13) SMART
14) SCOP Novice
15) HSAPQ Novice
16) Penn Novice
17) A-set
18) MSNCT 2k16
2) HFT
3) ACF Fall
4) Delta Burke
5) BASQT
6) LIST
7) WHAQ
8) GSAC
9) VTACO
10) Columbia
11) Northmont
12) SSNCT 2k16
13) SMART
14) SCOP Novice
15) HSAPQ Novice
16) Penn Novice
17) A-set
18) MSNCT 2k16
Ricky "Slick Rick/Rico Suave" Rivera
Carmel Catholic- Class of '17
Notre Dame (Mendoza)- Class of '22
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Re: HSQBRank Game - match the adjustments to the set
While I'm not going to try and rank all of these sets, I can attest to one thing to help with other people's rankings:El Salvadoreno wrote:8) GSAC
9) VTACO
10) Columbia
11) Northmont
12) SSNCT 2k16
Having had the rare opportunity to play both, I can say with near certainty that the 2016 SSNCT set is certainly not as hard as the GSAC set. To what degree the latter is harder than the former I can't say with any sort of specificity, but I can say this much at least.
Colton Sanden
-Penn State (2017-2021)
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Re: HSQBRank Game - match the adjustments to the set
I know that my look at the early use of BASQT implied it was likely to play relatively hard, however it wasn't used before February 4, so I'm surprised it's on here at all.
Jon Pinyan
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HSQB forum mod, PACE member
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Re: HSQBRank Game - match the adjustments to the set
Your answers!
Fred Morlan
University of Kentucky CoP, 2017
International Quiz Bowl Tournaments, CEO, co-owner
former PACE member, president, etc.
former hsqbrank manager, former NAQT writer & subject editor, former hsqb Administrator/Chief Administrator
University of Kentucky CoP, 2017
International Quiz Bowl Tournaments, CEO, co-owner
former PACE member, president, etc.
former hsqbrank manager, former NAQT writer & subject editor, former hsqb Administrator/Chief Administrator