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In tiers, based solely on me squinting at HSNCT stats, assuming all 9th, 10th, and 11th graders keep playing.

S+ (Presumptive #1 team in the country)

Livingston: 3rd at HSNCT with 20.54 PPB. Robert Wang (70+ PP20TUH) will probably be the best player in the country next year and it will be his senior year. They lose Sophia Wu, whose heavily shadowed stats don't accurately reflect her greatness, but someone from the very good B team will step up.

S (Likely National Championship Contenders)

TJ: The A-team was T13 with 21.17 PPB. They lose 3 great seniors in Chris Yoo, Dylan Cheng, and Ryan Zhang, but I still have them here because they keep top scorer Deven Hagen and he'll presumably be joined by the 1st, 3rd, and 4th scorers from the B team that cannibalized his HSNCT dreams and was T8 with 17.80 PPB.

Hunter: T13, 19.53 PPB. Evan Schleck (80+ PP20TUH), Maggie Sun, and Dune Joerg are all back and I bet they'll find someone from their very deep bench to specialize in something to cover any gaps.

A (Likely Super Seven Teams)

Amador Valley: T13, 18.98 PPB. Returning most of their firepower.

Lexington: T33 with 18.76 PPB with 4 freshmen. Not sure what anyone's going to do about this team when they're seniors.

Belmont: T21 awith 18.88 PPB and Andrew Gao and Greg Zeldovich back as 10th graders. Losing important support pieces in Krikor and Julian.

Strake Jesuit: T13 with 18.21 PPB and everyone's back.

B (Likely Deep Playoff Teams)

Santa Monica: T13 with 18.20 PPB but losing second scorer and captain Delaney O'Dea and not clear who's next up.

Yukon: T21 with 18.01 PPB. Christopher Stewart (70+ PP20TUH) comes back as a senior, but loses second scorer Collin Leck.

Lambert: T33 with 17.93 PPB and their top 4 scorers are all back.

DCC: T33 with 17.74 PPB and everyone's back.

Darien: T33 with 17.72 PPB. Rajiv Pujara (50+ PP20TUH) is back as a senior but second scorer and captain Lucas O'Flanagan is gone.

Mira Loma: T8 with 20.05 PPB but losing their top scorer in senior captain Elyas Nuh. Someone from the deep B team, maybe top scorer Ethan Kloss, should step up to join Tanay, Aatreyo, and Nicholas to round out what should still be a great team.

High Tech: T49 with 17.56 PPB and their top three scorers are all back.

USN: T21 with 17.27 PPB and everyone's back, including Eric Mukherjee.


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I'm kinda biased considering both these teams are from my state but...

Hoover: T-13, but they lose a bunch of good kids. The plus side is their top scorer (Krish Nathan) is a 9th grader!! He will be insane with some good firepower around him.

ASCTE: T-49, but they only lose Elizabeth Orton. Their top scorer, Tate Osborne is a beast. They also have Tate's little brother, Leo, putting up good stats as a 9th grader. Fingers crossed they win SSNCT Open Divison after losing in the finals twice.
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A possible miss would be Caddo Magnet of Louisiana, A team tied for 49th, B team went 5-5, and loses a senior on the A team. However the core scoring volume of the team not only stays, but were only 10th graders this year. This combined with Sophmore Johnny Zheng placing 2nd at IPNCT this year and only on pace to get even better in the future tells me that team will be very competitive in the future. Caddo Magnet for the entirety of the 2020's has had incredibly good individual talent (Andrew Minagar and now Johnny Zheng), but hasn't quite had that lucky run yet for a deep playoff finish. If they had a chance for that to happen anytime in the future, it would be these next 2 years with the development of their two core scorers. Alongside all of this having watched this team play in person before, they have excellent chemistry, team work, and coordination which will surely improve their odds of successes as the team matures and grows. It will be a tough road and results could go either way, but I am confident they have a pretty good chance of exceeding expectations next year or the year after.
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Not going to contribute too much since as the post's title says I think it is way too early to make any real predictions about HSNCT that aren't going to be at minimum 50% inaccurate, but I think in general the original post misses out on teams where the seniors shadowed non-senior scorers in whatever ways- Mira Loma has played a good number of tournaments without Elyas and has performed extremely well at them as well because Aatreyo and Tanay can cover well enough for the things Elyas would otherwise cover to still be a very good team (see: this), similarly Richard Montgomery earlier this year had this performance without the seniors from their current A-team. I'm not going to go through the whole field and check for other teams like this but just thought it was worth noting the two obvious examples that came to mind and pointing out that I think in general this is probably the most missed thing in this post (and tbf I think it's also just very hard to figure this out for some teams where, unlike ML and RM who conveniently had performances without their seniors, just never played without their seniors and so it's hard to tell how good they'll be without them).
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Obligatory gassing up of Indiana teams...

Carmel is retaining 4/5 of its A team members (Michael Fortuna, Anna Liao, Anthony Pho, Brian Pho). It gets lost because they've generalized so well, but Anthony and Brian are two of the best high school specialists in their respective categories (history and fine arts); Michael started only this year and became a high-level literature player in a matter of months, so who knows where he'll be next year; and Anna has always been an incredibly underrated generalist, and science happens to be her strength. They aren't attending any national championships this year, but the current plan is that they will next year.

This team may not be on anyone's radar right now, but Park Tudor is retaining their entire A team and gaining Gavin Sigua and Evan Ting from the MSNCT runners-up Sycamore. The prospective roster of Gavin, Evan, Insia Zaidi, and Sameer Zaidi should be an extremely good one at any high school tournament.

I think either/both of these teams has a top-15 ceiling. We'll have to see what becomes of it.
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Might just drop it here, Lambert and Livingston finals


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I've never posted in here before, fun.

Innovation Academy and St. Marks both seem to have deep benches - remember that Smarx B got 3rd at SSNCT open division (and didn't play HSNCT). I also wouldn't count out Kinkaid - even losing Cole Hartung, Ali Hamzeh won IPNCT and has a whole summer to improve on that performance. Not to mention I think they caught a bad break this year.
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Sima Guang Hater wrote: Sat Jun 01, 2024 6:40 am remember that Smarx B got 3rd at SSNCT open division (and didn't play HSNCT).
Do think it's worth pointing out that although this is true, the top scorer from that St. Mark's B-team (Arnav, also notably a senior) was on St. Mark's A at HSNCT as they did a 4-player A-team without subs at SSNCT and did a 5-player A-team with subs at HSNCT. Even accounting for that though the team does look good and they will definitely be able to rebuild to some degree.
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Adlai Stevenson B could be in this conversation, 33rd in last year's HSNCT with two rising sophomores in Spencer Manning (54.92 PP20TUH) and Ani Srinivasan (39.86 PP20TUH) who led the team in scoring. In the event that those two are moved to the A team, they'll be paired with rising junior Ronit Karmakar (41.01 PP20TUH)
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A very late reply, but I thought I should do my NorCal vouching here and now. I'd do well to start off by saying that I do expect Mira Loma to land firmly between the A and S tier, because despite the loss of Elyas, Tanay and Aatreyo are both formidable (and improving) players that are more than capable of covering almost the entire distribution, and Nicholas and (presumably) Ethan are really solid supporting pieces. I (and the rest of Amador) have played Mira Loma multiple times without Elyas playing, and I really don't think his loss is too much of a hindrance, simply because I believe the returning members to be that good. I don't expect to see them too far down from their top 8 finish this year.

I'd like to toss Archbishop Mitty A into the mix. They return their full lineup next year, and I do expect Sudhanva to be scoring at a higher tick with an added year of experience on the high school circuit. Mahit, Suyog, and Samarth also provide some quality scoring on that team, and I'm sure they'll continue that into their senior season. Granted, their power stats seem slightly low, but I think this is something that will be less of an issue next year. They were T-33rd at HSNCT this year, and I do think that they could sit around the B tier within this list.

Also, I'm unsure where MSJ will stand next year with the losses of Kerry and Joseph notably, but I've heard their newcomers are promising additions. Could be one to watch in future seasons.

As for another team who looked really strong at Nationals (from what I saw as Amador faced them), I could totally justify Lambert's current placement or even moving them up 1 tier. Really strong team with all returning.
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quizbowlchamp1 wrote: Thu May 30, 2024 12:57 pm I'm kinda biased considering both these teams are from my state but...

Hoover: T-13, but they lose a bunch of good kids. The plus side is their top scorer (Krish Nathan) is a 9th grader!! He will be insane with some good firepower around him.

ASCTE: T-49, but they only lose Elizabeth Orton. Their top scorer, Tate Osborne is a beast. They also have Tate's little brother, Leo, putting up good stats as a 9th grader. Fingers crossed they win SSNCT Open Divison after losing in the finals twice.
While I think ASCTE will be good. Hoover lost three seniors last year, yeah they have krish, but the firepower isn't really there.

With that being said, my top 15 predictions are...

Livingston A
TJ A
Hunter
Innovation A
Richard Montgomery A
Mira Loma A
Johns Creek A
Strake Jesuit A
Amador Valley
Santa Monica
Chattahoochee A
Kinkaid
Belmont
Centennial A
USN A
Wade Hampton A

I know there might be a few controversial picks (*cough* Belmont *cough*) but that my predictions

Side note: Someone needs to do this for MSNCT...oh wait...viewtopic.php?t=28317 ...they already did.
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Considering Texas schools aside from the usual fantastic five of Kinkaid, St. Marks, Strake Jesuit, Cistercian, and Seven Lakes, DO NOT count PLANO WEST out (I am not affiliated with them in any way whatsoever). Even though the 2018 NATS champions have undergone a period of steady decline (they lost their whole team last year because they were all seniors), they still retain national speech champion Abraham Zhang who has shown continuous dominance in the DFW circuit. Add Jasper-graduated junior Jade Dai, who has consistently made the top 10 indivs list in competitions (hdwhite.org/stats/player/Jade+Dai), beat at least 3 top-20 IPNCT players in domestic comps, placed 23rd in the History cates at IPNCT (147th out of 261 - https://www.naqt.com/stats/tournament/t ... _id=517356), and cooked up a MONSTER 82.78 points per game at TQBA Jamboree (https://www.naqt.com/stats/tournament/s ... t_id=16239), science and math terminator Aarush Kiran (Eric Mukherjee 2.0), who has been improving at a terrifying pace every tournament and looks set for a dark horse finish at IPNCT this year, generalists Neel Marripalapu (top 50 IPNCT contender) and Shayan Parwani (top 200 last year), lit main Aryahi Gairola, who has devastated T50 HSNCT teams with her cat, math main Isabella Wang, (probably set to win the National Science Bee this year), fa main Faizan Masroor (also probably set to win the National Science Bee this year) and pop culture main Ardalon Hakimi, who has been compared to players like Ali Hamzeh, Rohan Ganeshan, Pranav Bharandan, and Ethan Strombeck due to his frequent powering, and you have a newly dominant team hellbent on upsetting the traditional lux division in Quiz Bowl this year. Watch them cook!

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shameless plug for another Georgia team, the Northview High School Titans...

Two freshmen starters just won MSNCT, and two sophomores finished on the second place team the year before.

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Considering Texas schools aside from the usual fantastic five of Kinkaid, St. Marks, Strake Jesuit, Cistercian, and Seven Lakes, DO NOT count JOHN COOPER out (I am not affiliated with them in any way whatsoever). Even though the 2007 TQBA Houston Holiday Hoedown (Junior Varsity Division) champions have undergone a period of steady decline (they lost their whole team because they are all working adults now), they still retain international mathematics not-really champion Jerry Dai who has shown continuous dominance on qbreader diff 1. Add Auckland Grammar-graduated junior Jerry Dai, who has consistently made the top 100 indivs list in competitions, beat at least 3 top-20 John Cooper players in domestic comps, never placed at IPNCT, and cooked up a GHOULISH fewer-than-Aaron-Bates points per game at TQBA Jamboree, science and math terminator Pranjal Lastname (Eric Mukherjee 2.0), who has been improving at a terrifying pace every tournament and looks set for a dark horse finish at IPNCT this year, and a billion freshmen, who have been compared to players like Ali Hamzeh, Rohan Ganeshan, Pranav Bharandan, and Ethan Strombeck due to them all having been in high school once, and you have a new team hellbent on upsetting their coach, who is unwilling to let them to go HSNCT because she prefers chip bowl. Watch them cook!

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Shilling for teams coming out of recent strong MS performances:

Park Tudor A retains part last year's 5-5 HSNCT team of Sameer and Insia Zaidi + Evan Ting and Gavin Sigua, members of the team that got second place at MSNCT this year. I wouldn't count them out for t33 or even t21; neither would I count out Northview A - Sheehan Banka and Kaiden Lee were on the team that won MSNCT this year, and Ray Claret and Anoop Valavoju were on 2023's MSNCT runner-up team.
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Northview also got t33 at HSNCT last year
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hotmonkey1 wrote: Fri Oct 11, 2024 8:47 pm Considering Texas schools aside from the usual fantastic five of Kinkaid, St. Marks, Strake Jesuit, Cistercian, and Seven Lakes, DO NOT count JOHN COOPER out (I am not affiliated with them in any way whatsoever). Even though the 2007 TQBA Houston Holiday Hoedown (Junior Varsity Division) champions have undergone a period of steady decline (they lost their whole team because they are all working adults now), they still retain international mathematics not-really champion Jerry Dai who has shown continuous dominance on qbreader diff 1. Add Auckland Grammar-graduated junior Jerry Dai, who has consistently made the top 100 indivs list in competitions, beat at least 3 top-20 John Cooper players in domestic comps, never placed at IPNCT, and cooked up a GHOULISH fewer-than-Aaron-Bates points per game at TQBA Jamboree, science and math terminator Pranjal Lastname (Eric Mukherjee 2.0), who has been improving at a terrifying pace every tournament and looks set for a dark horse finish at IPNCT this year, and a billion freshmen, who have been compared to players like Ali Hamzeh, Rohan Ganeshan, Pranav Bharandan, and Ethan Strombeck due to them all having been in high school once, and you have a new team hellbent on upsetting their coach, who is unwilling to let them to go HSNCT because she prefers chip bowl. Watch them cook!

F.Y.I P.S. The Woodlands High School, also from The Woodlands, Texas, is even better.
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This team didn't have Kaiden either (Kaiden is very good at science!)
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Surprisingly I never actually made a top 15 for this so here we go (in no particular order)
  • Livingston. I feel like everyone's top pick. They retain almost their entire A team, including Robert Wang. MUST WATCH TEAM.
  • Hunter.T13 and they keep their main squad including Evan Schleck.
  • Innovation Academy. T5 and they keep half their A team. The plus is that they have very strong B and C teams to pull from.
  • Northview. They pull from MSNCT winners River Trail, including Sheehan Banka and Kaiden Lee.
  • Lambert. Probably my pick for 2nd place. T33 and they keep a squad of now seniors. Definitely a team to watch out for.
  • USN. T21 with all juniors. They also keep Ophelia Cherry Pulay, a SSNCT All Star.
  • St. Marks School of Texas. This team is up in the air for me. They lose their entire 2nd place A team. However, their B team got 3rd at SSNCT but didn't go to HSNCT.
  • Yukon. They retain their top scorer and could bring up some decent firepower from their B team.
  • Mira Loma. They keep most of their A team and they have a decently strong B team.
  • HSMSE at CCNY. They played one player, Vidyut Arvind, at HSNCT last year. He is a solo playoff team. I hear he has built a program so I have high hopes for him.
  • TJ. A team T13. B team T8. What do you get when you combine the non seniors? A god squad. Definitely a must watch.
  • Wade Hampton. T33 and they keep the full A team. They also have some good players from the B team.
  • Lexington. T33 with ALL 9th Graders. Excited to see how they play as seniors.
  • Caddo Magnet A. Keep half of their T49 A team. They also have a pretty good B team.
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I must do my due diligence and promote my fellow Hoosiers...

Park Tudor A is a t15 contender for sure, this team picks up MSNCT runner-ups Evan Ting (consensus best player in the country last year) and Gavin Sigua who is emerging out of the shadow of Evan to put up very respectable performances on a very strong team. They also keep everyone from their 5-5 HSNCT which is huge.

Carmel A is a definite t20 contender that will keep 75% of their A team only losing their 4th scorer. This is an absurdly strong team that will obliterate most opponents except when they lost by 400 to Park Tudor. The Pho's are very good at quiz bowl, watch out for them.

Carmel B, Carmel, as the 11th largest high school in the United States, has a LOT of depth, I expect them to not be far off from their A team and go at least t33

(I mean I think Livingston, Belmont, Mira Loma, IA, Hunter, and St Mark's are very good and all can be title contenders)
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top 12/t8 (in no particular order, we still have six months left)

- Livingston A - 3rd last year, retains half the team, put up 8.8 p/g on IS-231
- Strake Jesuit A - t13 last year, retains the full team, put up 10.8 p/g on IS-231
- Lambert A - t33 last year, retains the full team, put up 11.1 p/g on CALISTO III
- TJ A - t13 (A)/t8 (B) last year, retains one player on the A team and three players on the B team
- Belmont A - t21 last year, retains half the team, put up 10.5 p/g on CALISTO III
- Lexington - t33 last year, retains the full team, won this year's ACF Fall HS online mirror
- Hunter - t13 last year, retains half the team, put up 8.4 p/g on IS-231
- IA A - t5 last year, retains half the team, put up 9 p/g on CALISTO III
- Stevenson (which team idk) - t65 (A)/t33 (B) last year, retains both the full teams
- Wade Hampton A (dear lord) - t33 last year, retains the full team, may have given me quizbowl trauma
- Mira Loma A - t8 last year, retains three players, put up 8 p/g on IS-231
- Amador Valley - t13 last year, retains three players, put up 6.9 p/g on IS-231
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geoff wrote: Fri Oct 25, 2024 2:08 pm (I mean I think Livingston, Belmont, Mira Loma, IA, Hunter, and St Mark's are very good and all can be title contenders)
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