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The State of Good Quiz Bowl, State-by-State, 2025 Edition

Posted: Wed May 14, 2025 10:13 pm
by Halinaxus
Chris Chiego’s 2015 and 2017 posts on this subject are some of my all-time favorite content on this website. They’re a fantastic introduction to where quiz bowl was at in the mid-2010s, and a great way to learn some of the quirks and differences between regional formats.

Since it’s now been a full decade since the first of those posts (and the state of quiz bowl has changed a good bit, especially due to COVID), I’ve (with Chris’ permission) put together an updated 2025 edition. If you haven’t read the old versions before, I encourage you to at least skim them, as they provide valuable background knowledge (and in some states where things have greatly changed, a peek back in time).

I’m going to use the same grading scale Chris did:
Breadth of Good Quizbowl
How many places across the state are running good quizbowl tournaments and competitions? Are all the major metro areas included? Are there rural schools participating or just metro schools? Are only a few areas active or is pretty much the entire state active? Could a new team get to a good quizbowl tournament in only a few hours drive or would every trip be basically an overnight all-day drive? Are there many AUK and NAC or other bad quizbowl-only participants that crowd out good quizbowl teams and tournaments?

Depth of Good Quizbowl
In the areas with quizbowl, how many teams compete in it? Is it just a handful of teams out of many possible schools or do pretty much all the major schools in the area participate? Are tournaments large with many teams and good quizbowl scheduling practices or are they small and single-elimination (or entirely double-elimination?)? Do schools normally just play one or two tournaments or do they play multiple tournaments over the year along with nationals?

Institutional Support or Opposition (including state championships)
Is there an official state organization that coordinates quizbowl and does that state organization support good quizbowl? Are there resources available for new teams to help build themselves and assistance for coaches (like a coach's association)? Does the state championship (and any local/regional championships) use good quizbowl questions and practices or bad? Is there a lot of AUK or NAC participation or leagues that use bad quizbowl questions and practices? Even if only good quizbowl is present in a state, a lack of institutional strength can be a negative.

The grades are NOT based on how highly-ranked the teams from a given state are in terms of quizbowl playing prowess; there are other rankings for ranking teams based on quizbowl skill and results. Instead, this post is designed to reward and recognize states that adopt good quizbowl practices and get more teams involved in playing quizbowl. There are 36,000+ secondary schools in the United States and only a small fraction of those have quizbowl teams. We need to be pushing for a world where quizbowl is as common an activity as debate, science fair, or football.

Rough Grading Rubric
A: Almost entirely good quizbowl tournaments; many teams from multiple areas around a state participate in those tournaments; a solid state organization (or confederation of local organizations) that supports good quizbowl and ensures a good state championship tournament
B: Mostly good quizbowl tournaments; some areas of bad quizbowl or a major lack of quizbowl; state organization is usually good, but may have some issues or the good quizbowl state championship may not attract that many teams
C: Some areas of good quizbowl, but often competes against bad quizbowl leagues or organizations; state organization is lacking in organization or indifferent to good quizbowl; may lack teams and competitions in many areas around the states.
D: Mostly bad-quizbowl tournaments and organizations, though perhaps without actively restricting participation good quizbowl tournaments. Also a lack of or near-complete lack of tournaments whether good or bad quizbowl
F: Active bad-quizbowl organizations that severely restrict and/or oppose good quizbowl participation to the point where there are no good quizbowl tournaments even offered. There may be one or two teams who want to play pyramidal in these states, but they are drowned out by the rest of the state and may face extremely long distances if they wanted to attend pyramidal tournaments.

Note that History Bowl and other single-subject tournaments are disregarded here--this is a ranking for all-subject quizbowl. This is also for high school quizbowl, not middle school or college, though the presence of college hosts for high school tournaments in an area is often a major part of the quizbowl circuit in an area.
I am grading on a curve, so states with larger, denser populations and higher-ranked schools will be held to a higher standard than states with largely rural populations. That said, it is still very possible for regions that aren’t traditional education powerhouses to outperform others that are straight-up, and there are examples of this below.

I’ve done my best to research each state’s quiz bowl scene, but I undoubtedly missed things. Please feel free to respond below if you have information that I don’t.

Alabama: A (up from A- in 2017)
There have been some cosmetic changes (new tournament hosts, new teams like Cyber Tech popping up, format tweaks at the state level), but Alabama’s quiz bowl scene is still humming along much as it did last decade. The ASCA continues to run a well-organized district-and-state-tournament series with exceptional rural outreach, and there are plenty of leagues, conferences, and Saturday tournaments throughout the state. The ACBL network of community colleges has proven especially valuable as hosts, and Robin Osborne deserves tremendous commendation for her work bringing in professional sponsorships and scholarship/prize money.

For Alabama to take the next step, I’d like to see increased participation in Saturday tournaments. Many of the rural schools only play 4-5 games at a single Friday night district tournament each year, and even the “plugged-in” teams often have to seek out online tournaments for sets (particularly mACF ones) not mirrored locally. I’d also like to see single-elim fully retired, as many tournaments (including the state championship) still use either straight single-elim or single-elim into a best-of-three final.

Alaska: D- (no change from 2017)
The advent of online tournaments post-COVID has made the prospect of Alaska teams a lot more feasible. Unfortunately, nothing seems to have come of it yet. I suspect this will continue until either someone from Alaska discovers quiz bowl on their own or (more likely) an active community member ends up there and makes an effort to start something.

Arizona: D (down from C in 2017)
I was incredibly saddened to discover that the Arizona high school circuit appears to have died, with zero tournaments taking place in the Grand Canyon State this year (not even the Sunnyslope Mindsoon, which appears to have been an oddly-formatted ROTC event but ran faithfully for many years and even drew double-digit fields at its peak).

At least two teams (Herberger and Brophy College Prep) are still playing online tournaments, but most of Herberger’s team is about to graduate and Brophy isn’t as active as they used to be. Does anyone know why Arizona’s strongest teams (Corona del Sol, Hamilton, BASIS Scottsdale) all collapsed out of the blue? The more I research this, the more I’m baffled-all three of those schools were regulars at xNCTs, making playoff runs and fielding very deep rosters circa 2019. Obviously COVID would have impacted them, but they each faithfully played Arizona State’s tournaments into 2022-23, then stopped attending.

It appears that fields were steadily decreasing (ASU’s last tournament, in February 2023, drew only four teams), which seems surprising considering this timeline coincides with the revival of the ASU team on the collegiate circuit. Either way, it would appear that Arizona should be a priority outreach target, given its strong history and the experienced hosts at ASU.

Arkansas: D+ (up from F in 2017)
The state once dubbed “Quiz Bowl Iran” has experienced something of a minor renaissance recently. What began with a few teams exploring online tournaments over COVID has expanded into a pair of NAQT tournaments and appearances by Arkansans at IPNCT, SSNCT, and HSNCT. As regular users of this forum likely know, many of the state’s current top players are aware of pyramidal and have begun advocating for long-needed improvements in question quality, which have been somewhat answered by the LIQBA’s entry into the question-provisioning market.

It’s going to be a long road. Reading through the Arkansas thread, it appears that standard practice for invitationals there is for hosts to write their own questions (!) and playoffs to be single-elim (!!) seeded by as few as three randomly assigned prelim games (!!!). Given the size and history of the Arkansas QB circuit, there’s going to be some serious inertia that’ll need to be broken through for a full-fledged pyramidal circuit to develop, to say nothing of the silly rules about lugging around reference books and whatever else.

For the first time in a long while, though, there is hope for Arkansas.

California: C (down from B in 2017)
There are strong circuits in San Diego and the Bay Area (the latter being buoyed by its robust middle school scene), but California overall is a disappointment considering its size and population. In particular, the lack of anything in the entire Los Angeles metro area outside of Santa Monica and Arcadia making trips to San Diego is unacceptable. The UCLA, USC, and Claremont teams have all either been reactivated or grown in size since 2017. It seems like there might be an opportunity for one of them to run a novice tournament targeting Academic Decathlon teams or whatever else the current activity of choice is in LA.

Both SoCal and NorCal could probably do with some more institutional backing, as SoCal especially seems very student-led and both regions feature teams frequently popping in and out of existence as players graduate. San Diego and the Bay Area would each receive an A if they were graded independently, so the state’s overall poor grade isn’t on the fantastic people doing good work in those places, but I can’t justify anything better than a C given all the wasted potential elsewhere in the Golden State.

Colorado: C (up from C- in 2017)
Knowledge Bowl continues to dominate the Centennial State, but the rays of good quiz bowl are beginning to shine over the Rocky Mountains as much as they ever have. We’re now up to three annual pyramidal tournaments (plus a TV show that introduced some of them to NAQT questions, though it now seems to have changed providers to an unknown source) and a small handful of consistent nationals attendees. I hope to see those numbers continue to tick upward!

Connecticut: C+ (no change from 2017)
The short-lived Connecticut Quiz Bowl Alliance had some success with a Connecticut-specific tournament, but now that it’s no longer around Connecticut has largely been reduced to feeding the New York and New England circuits. Fortunately, the Nutmeg State is pretty good at that, given its proximity to both New York and Boston. While researching, I was reminded of the joint IAC-LIQBA Tri-State Quiz Bowl Alliance, which launched a fantastically professional website… that has already gone out of date within a year.

It’s great that Connecticut teams can attend other Northeast tournaments, but the lack of any centralized body or annual competition means that (non-Darien) teams tend to pop in and out of existence as players come and go.

Delaware: D+ (no change from 2017)
Wilmington Charter and Tower Hill both played full schedules in Maryland and Pennsylvania, but therein lies the extent of quiz bowl in Delaware right now. There obviously isn’t much to work with, and perhaps a D+ is overly harsh given Wilmington is basically just a suburb of Philadelphia, but I’d like to see some sort of championship or at least a tournament hosted within the state borders.

Florida: C (down from C+ in 2017)
Florida’s quiz bowl scene is fractured due to the state’s size, but UF has done a solid job of putting together a state championship that draws teams from every region. Central Florida appears to have backslid and there was only one South Florida tournament this year, but the new tournaments in Gainesville fit in nicely with the existing activity in Jacksonville and the panhandle. Unfortunately, the dominant academic competition in Florida continues to be the bizarre Commissioner’s Academic Challenge, which seems to be some form of quiz bowl without buzzers played by teams representing counties (or something).

The uptick in teams attending pyramidal tournaments and nationals is encouraging, but Florida (especially Central and South Florida) remains badly in need of more activity. It’d be really cool if the FCSAA community colleges (which form the best-organized and most active community college circuit in the country) were able to host tournaments in the underserved areas.

[b]Georgia:[/b] B+ (up from B in 2017)
Georgia continues to boast a state organization that offers three regular season tournaments and a state championship, each with large fields and significant participation from all areas of the state. There are also plenty of independent invitationals, a number of local leagues, and a separate state championship for small, private religious schools. A lot of the smaller, rural schools do tend to stick to their local competitions, but the presence of HSNCT in Atlanta has drawn a few of them.

My biggest frustration with Georgia right now is that the GATA tournaments use single-elim (even at the state championships where it’s completely unnecessary and actively screws teams out of titles) and don’t keep individual stats. Flagship tournaments in a state with as large a quiz bowl presence as Georgia should be doing better than that.

Hawaii: D- (down from D in 2017)
As far as I can tell, there hasn’t been any quiz bowl activity in Hawaii since Iolani played a single online tournament over COVID. Fred Morlan attempted to run a Hawaii outreach tournament last year, but had to cancel due to a lack of interest. Again, given the uptick in online tournaments post-COVID, there’s new potential for Hawaiian teams should any be interested.

Idaho: B- (up from C in 2017)
Like the rest of the Mountain West, Idaho remains hampered by the long distances between population centers. 2024-25 was the Gem State’s best season in at least a few years, with four tournaments drawing a total of eight schools from both the Boise area and Northern Idaho. Additionally, Boise is slated to be the first Idaho team at HSNCT in (I believe) a full decade. I’m grading on a curve here, but I think Idaho’s doing pretty darn well with what they’ve got (and their grade will go up further if and when teams stop attending the NAC).

Illinois: A+ (up from A in 2017)
There are certainly improvements that could be made to Illinois quiz bowl; there are plenty of leagues and tournaments that don’t keep full stats or use suboptimal formats, but there’s just so much good quiz bowl in the Land of Lincoln that I think Illinois deserves an A+. Scholastic Bowl, as they call it, is treated as a sport by the high school athletic association, several hundred schools (a sizable plurality, if not a majority, of high schools in Illinois) have teams, and most play in conferences that offer 10, 20, or even 30 matches a season. Additionally, Saturday tournaments are plentiful at all difficulties in all regions. My understanding is that the “official” (non-NAQT) state championship has some quirks, but they are more than made up for by the logistical benefits the IHSSBCA brings to the table.

It’d be cool to see more teams within Chicago itself, as well as more consistent statkeeping and (as always) more teams playing Saturday tournaments and not just their conference matches. There are always ways to improve, but Illinois can be held up as an example of what every other state should be working toward.

Indiana: B- (up from C- in 2017)
I am so, so incredibly proud of how far Indiana has come in just the last few years. What was once a “quiz bowl wasteland” and Chipbowl stronghold has been transformed into, in my admittedly biased opinion, one of the better-organized pyramidal circuits in the Midwest. All of the traditionally-nonpyramidal leagues save one (the notorious WRAL) have been flipped to NAQT, and we’ve been peeling 1-2 teams off of WRAL each year since I’ve been at Purdue. Interest in Saturday tournaments has skyrocketed so much that Purdue has gone from hosting one 10-18 team tournament to three 24+ team tournaments each year, to say nothing of the fantastic work Carmel and Herron have done in hosting events in the Indianapolis area.

The real game changer was bringing the Indiana Association of School Principals (IASP) on board in 2019 to sponsor regional tournaments and the state championship. IASP’s commitment to outreach in new areas and pivoting online over COVID (during which time the Chipbowl tournaments largely went inactive) have been invaluable in growing Indiana quiz bowl. There’s plenty more work to be done (one side effect of the sudden explosion of teams has been a severe shortage of experienced tournament hosts and staffers outside of Purdue), but Indiana has taken the first steps on a roadmap it did not even possess back in 2017.

Iowa: B- (up from C+ in 2017)
Iowa continues to grow, slowly but surely. The IQBL is one of the better state organizations out there, with an up-to-date website and a nice slate of pyramidal offerings throughout the year. Their large Fall and Winter tournaments each have three regional sites that draw in teams from all over the state, although the smattering of local conferences appears to have died down a bit if the NAQT results page is to be believed.

Unfortunately, there is apparently still Chipbowl afoot in the Hawkeye State, as a whopping six teams attended last year’s NAC. I’m also disappointed to see that IQBL tournaments (even the state championship) only seem to offer teams six games, even though the field sizes are small and could easily accommodate 8-10 game formats.

Kansas: F (no change from 2017)
In contrast to Arkansas’ White Revolution, the “North Korea of quiz bowl” remains firmly steeped in Juche. Occasionally a Kansas team will pop up at a Missouri or Oklahoma tournament, or a tournament will use NAQT speedchecks, but aside from a middle school league that managed to use all four NAQT MS sets in such a way that no team played more than 12 games, there doesn’t seem to have been any pyramidal activity out of the Sunflower State this year.

Kentucky: C+ (no change from 2017)
The QB-adjacent Governor’s Cup reigns supreme in the Bluegrass State, but actual quiz bowl is still running solidly as well. Kentucky has long been a hot spot for small school activity and it has a nice schedule of tournaments, though a frustrating majority of teams still treat it as a side show to KAAC Quick Recall. One interesting thing I’ve noticed about Kentucky is that there seems to be a higher rate of strong female players than in other states, which may be a product of KAAC’s subject-specific competitions.

Louisiana: B (no change from 2017)
When we left Louisiana in 2017, they were suffering through a confusing disagreement among various factions as to the best way to move forward. I’m not entirely sure how that ended, but Louisiana does sport a sizable pyramidal circuit today, which is great to see. Unfortunately, the Pelican State appears to still be harboring Chipbowl as well, with a whopping ten Louisiana teams attending the most recent NAC. A number of Louisiana tournaments also appear to use odd formats that can result in multiple teams finishing undefeated, especially at the middle school level (are the playoffs just not being reported for some reason?).

Maine: B- (up from D- in 2017)
Nic Pruitt’s arrival in 2021 finally got Maine off the shnide, and its fledgling circuit is beginning to sprout wings, with 2024-25 marking its fourth year. There were only three in-state tournaments, but a number of teams made treks down into Massachusetts to fill their ledgers. No Chipbowl to speak of either, which is obviously a plus but also makes the number of brand-new teams all the more impressive. I’m grading on a curve again, but considering the lack of history and resources in the Pine Tree State they have earned the most improved ranking since 2017.

Maryland: C+ (down from B- in 2017)
Maryland has to be considered in the context of the overall DMV circuit, which is of course quite strong. Given the number of top teams, though, I’m honestly pretty disappointed there aren’t more tournaments. Johns Hopkins is doing great work hosting three invitationals, and Centennial and Georgetown each chipped in one, but that appears to be it for Maryland quiz bowl this year. Considering that each of those five events drew sizable fields (including a disproportionate number of nationally relevant teams), there certainly seems to be enough interest to warrant more tournaments.

Are there barriers to hosting in the DMV region that I’m not aware of? Regardless, the lack of actual quiz bowl (there doesn’t seem to be any sort of state organization or even an NAQT State Championship) combined with the stubborn presence of It’s Academic means Maryland’s grade is dropping. DMV teams should not be having to seek out online mirrors of highly-played sets just to fill their calendars.

Massachusetts: B (up from C+ in 2017)
Many of the premier Massachusetts tournaments from the last edition of this post (eg, HFT) are no longer around, but their void has been admirably filled by the most prolific tournament host this side of Greg Bossick. I am, of course, talking about Andrew Gao, who I personally think should win this year’s Ben Cooper Young Ambassador Award. Andrew has run a whopping four in person tournaments (over half of this year’s Massachusetts schedule) as a sophomore in high school, to say nothing of his online tournaments (three so far this year) and other contributions (at least two good regs sets, a snazzy tournament hub spreadsheet, etc.).

I’d love to see some more hosts step in (and some, such as Lexington and Harvard, have), but Massachusetts quiz bowl is in a solid spot. I see new team names seemingly every time I look at the results of a Boston-area tournament, and the LIQBA’s Mayflower Cup provides a state championship series.

Michigan: A- (up from B+ in 2017)
Too many Michigan teams are still stuck in local leagues of questionable quality, but the overall circuit is healthy enough to warrant a bump. Most notably, the state championship (which was waffling toward nonpyramidal back in 2017) has been impressively reformed through great cooperation between Michigan and Michigan State, with Michigan taking the large schools and MSU the smaller ones. Tournaments are plentiful throughout the state (there could always be more in the remote areas, but when will that ever not be the case), and plenty of Michigan teams patronize good national tournaments with very few still attending NAC.

Minnesota: C+ (no change from 2017)
Minnesota continues to be an enigma, with a strong pyramidal circuit in the Twin Cities but a truly horrific amount of Knowledge Bowl around the rest of the state. Unfortunately, Knowledge Bowl is so disparate from good quiz bowl (most notably, the buzzers are entirely incompatible) that reform will be difficult. In the short term, I think the best way to make progress is to work within the system and try to get on a pyramidal or at least semi-pyramidal question provider while trying to get teams to see the benefits of QB with outreach tournaments. If I end up moving back to Minnesota after graduating college, I may take on MN Knowledge Bowl as my next outreach project, but I think my home state will prove a much tougher nut to crack than Indiana did.

As far as the actual quiz bowl circuit goes, Erik Nelson and Play Quiz Bowl have replaced R. and MQBA but otherwise things are much as they were in 2017: plenty of teams, plenty of tournaments, rather a bit too much single-elim, but overall a strong community given the geographic isolation from the rest of the quiz bowl world.

Mississippi: C (no change from 2017)
Things were interrupted by COVID, but Mississippi has recovered back to pretty much where they were in 2017. Considering that the Magnolia State usually appears near the bottom when ranking states by their schools, it’s really nice to see a bit of quiz bowl activity there. Props to Itawamba for consistently hosting quality tournaments (including the state championship), and to Lafayette for starting multiple tournaments in only their second year on good questions.

Considering that the two Ole Miss tournaments consistently draw the largest fields (including a number of out of state teams), it’d be really cool if they started using standard rebracketed formats instead of single/double-elim (in which some teams drive in from hours away only to go home after just two games)! It appears that these tournaments are run by something called the Office of Pre-College Programs and possibly not by the actual Ole Miss quiz bowl team?

Missouri: A (up from B+ in 2017)
My understanding is that there’s still pockets of bad quiz bowl, MSHSAA is still annoying (with arbitrary restrictions on how many competitions teams can play and when), and the state championship uses round robin into single-elim (sigh). All of that is why Missouri gets an A instead of an A+. All of this is why Missouri gets an A. There’s just so much quiz bowl all over the state, at a level not seen anywhere other than Illinois. Practically every set gets multiple Missouri mirrors every year, and the Show-Me state punches far above its weight at nationals (particularly SSNCT). Massive kudos to the folks at MOQBA for making it all happen.

Montana: D+ (up from D in 2017)
Sentinel’s appearance at HSNCT last year gets Big Sky a bump. If nothing else, it’s great to see that Frenchtown is still committed to hosting even as no one else seems interested. The Montana format seems quirky, with frequent byes, but at least sort of seems to resemble rebracketing and isn’t just straight single-elim.

Nebraska: C (up from D in 2017)
Yet another state that’s seen significant progress due to a new pyramidal host; in this case, the University of Nebraska-Lincoln. I’m not sure if the Elkhorn schools were nonpyramidal powerhouses or are entirely new to quiz bowl, but either way they’ve been quick learners. UNL only hosted one tournament this year, but the Elkhorn teams replaced that hole in their schedule by crashing an Iowa event. The Nebraska circuit is still small, fragile, and in need of more hosts (especially if UNL continues to decrease in activity), but overall in a much better place than in 2017.

Nevada: B (up from C+ in 2017)
Nevada continues to sport a small but highly organized circuit, complete with a fantastic (and up-to-date) website. LVQBA is an excellent model for building a pyramidal circuit from scratch. The Reno-area leagues are still going as well, but don’t seem interested in integrating with the rest of the quiz bowl world (presumably due to geography and driving distance).

New Hampshire: D (no change from 2017)
Not much going on in the Granite State outside of Plymouth hosting tournaments that draw teams from every nearby state but not New Hampshire itself. There is apparently a New Hampshire Quiz Bowl League, but its format appears to be speedchecks at best and features classic nonpyramidal rules like “players must be recognized before answering” and “the quiz master is the final judge on whether an answer is correct.” If I’m reading the rules correctly, it also seems that teams are allowed to confer on a tossup that’s been negged (but not if they’re the first to buzz).

I’m not sure why the nonpyramidal teams aren’t interested in Plymouth’s tournaments, but either way it seems only Plymouth and Hanover (which straddles the border with Vermont) attend good tournaments.

New Jersey: B (no change from 2017)
New Jersey has plenty of tournaments and plenty of teams, especially with the growth of the LIQBA schedule. However, we know there are lots more out there trapped in nonpyramidal formats, and it seems there was some backsliding this year where tournaments were smaller and mostly attended by the usual teams. Anecdotally, it looks like there are many teams that attended one or two tournaments, got obliterated, and never came back to pyramidal. This is a common problem in strong circuits (like California) where it’s hard for new teams to get established because they play a lot of experienced teams in noncompetitive games. The Jersey Shore Introductory Tournament drew large fields of new teams, but it didn’t run this year. For New Jersey to reach its full potential, there’s a clear need for more novice-friendly tournaments.

New Mexico: C- (up from D in 2017)
New Mexico looked like a success story, with NMSU conjuring a fledgling circuit seemingly out of thin air back in 2022 and a couple brand-new teams making treks to SSNCT and even HSNCT. It’s not quite time to sound the alarm just yet, but NMSU only sponsored one tournament in 2024-25 and it was at a high school. Is anyone from New Mexico on these forums and able to confirm whether NMSU is still planning to host more tournaments? The loss of the state’s only host would be a severe setback, though hopefully not fatal as the El Paso circuit is right nearby and New Mexico teams occasionally pop over there already.

New York: B- (no change from 2017)
NYC has a somewhat decent circuit that merges nicely with the rest of the Northeast, but is something of a disappointment considering the population density and number of schools in the area. With so many schools under one district and so close to one another, I feel like it would be relatively easy to set up some sort of league in the city. Improvements have been made in the Hudson River Valley and Long Island, with the LIQBA seeing success at introducing pyramidal to its home region. Greater NYC does remain :chip:’s greatest redoubt, though, with a whopping 26 teams attending NAC last year. Hopefully Hastings’ runs at good national championships can inspire other Chip powerhouses to give them a try.

Outstate New York remains much as it was in 2017, with MasterMinds dominating around a few pyramidal outposts like Ithaca and Bishop Ludden. It’s great to see Syracuse hosting tournaments, and I encourage the other recently-active upstate NY teams like Binghamton and RIT to consider doing so as well!

North Carolina: B+ (up from B in 2017)
It’s been a banner year for North Carolina quiz bowl, between Smith’s MSNCT run, their alumni’s success at the Chapel Hill schools, and ECG’s rise to prominence. Excitingly, the NCASA State Championship finally recorded full statistics this year, hopefully a sign of changing times in a state whose quiz bowl scene used to be a tad sleepy. There still aren’t a ton of tournaments, which is probably why the rise in NC teams playing online tournaments this year was noticeable. If this new generation of North Carolina quiz bowlers is able to create more tournaments and pull in more teams from all corners of the state, the Tar Heel State could be on its way to an A.

North Dakota: D (up from D- in 2017)
Similar to Montana: consistent tournaments at one host on a quirky format in a sparsely populated state that had one team trek down to nationals recently (in this case, Grafton at the 2023 SSNCT). There might be potential in Fargo if any experienced coach or TD ends up there, but otherwise this is what we’ve got.

Ohio: B+ (up from B in 2017)
The Buckeye State is a little restricted by geography, with the major population centers being too far away from each other for teams to overlap more than a few times a year. Considering this and the fact that most teams default to the semipyramidal OAC, I think Ohio’s doing pretty darn well. Much of the credit for this belongs to Greg Bossick, who in my opinion is long overdue for a Cooper Award. He ran 19 events in 2024-25 alone, and his career total is surely in the hundreds. Greg’s commitment to driving all over Ohio and working with hosts to run tournaments in whatever format is best for a particular region (be it after school league, mini-tournament, full Saturday event, or anything in between) is incredible.

The biggest concern I have with Ohio is the relative lack of propagation quiz bowl has made into the big cities. There are also a few :chip: holdouts, especially at the middle school level, and I can’t justify giving an A to a state with a dominant questionable format, but Ohio is in a good spot.

Oklahoma: B- (up from C in 2017)
The Sooner State is my favorite quiz bowl state right now aside from Indiana, because there are so many parallels between the two. Traditional nonpyramidal stronghold? Check. Recent pyramidal renaissance powered by a new college team/teams hosting tournaments? Check. Brand-new or previously inactive teams rapidly making runs to prominence on their own initiative? Check. Wholesome and positive culture with rival players becoming good friends? Check (as far as I know; I’ve only ever heard good things about OKQB). Prodigy middle schooler making national noise? Check. First generation of pyramidal players graduating and powering the same school(s) that started it all? Check, check, check, check, check.

2024 Cooper Award winner Tracey Hickman has built a pyramidal circuit on top of the OSSAA, and teams like Yukon, Classen, and Morris have blasted through the door he opened. There’s still too much nonpyramidal and too many Oklahoma teams playing NAC, but this is the best Oklahoma has ever been and it all looks very sustainable. Tracey’s Murray State team, which to my knowledge is sponsored by the college as any other sport, is also a huge accomplishment for quiz bowl.

Oregon: D (no change from 2017)
Westview attended HSNCT last year, but the whole team was seniors and they haven’t played any tournaments since. Two Oregon teams played online Washington tournaments this year, but other than that there was zero quiz bowl activity in the Beaver State.

Pennsylvania: B (down from B+ in 2017)
Pennsylvania’s overall scene is pretty strong, with high levels of involvement around the state, even in the sparsely-populated central and northern regions. The Pittsburgh area is a little isolated, but consistent hosting from UPitt and Carnegie Mellon have kept it afloat. The biggest issue is that many of the leagues (and the state championship they feed into, which is held in the state capitol building) use an awkward three-team setup that doesn’t really lend itself to good rebracketing formats and reminds me of Knowledge Bowl. Unfortunately, it seems like an entrenched institution resistant to change. I also noticed that the Philadelphia city championship stopped running after 2022, taking away a number of inner-city teams’ only competition. If anyone in the Philly area is able to put something like that back together, it seems like a worthy cause.

Rhode Island: D- (down from D in 2017)
Aside from Massachusetts high school teams playing college tournaments at Brown, there doesn’t seem to have been any high school activity in the Ocean State since Barrington went inactive in 2020. Brown attempted to host a tournament this year (which would have been the first ever in Rhode Island), but had to cancel due to a lack of interest.

South Carolina: B (up from B- in 2018)
Things are much the same as they were in 2017: a strong circuit in the Greenville-Columbia-Augusta triangle and isolated leagues on the Atlantic Coast. Given that the drive inland isn’t super bad and coastal SC teams have developed a habit of playing NCTs out of nowhere, I’m inclined to suspect there’s some Chipbowl going on out there, too, especially at the middle school level. It’s encouraging to see those teams (eg, Wando, Academic Magnet) seeking out pyramidal, and they’ve done pretty well for themselves. The Palmetto State seems stable and a candidate for an increased grade as the circuit consolidates.

South Dakota: D- (down from C- in 2017)
The long-running Siouxper Bowl tournament unfortunately did not survive COVID, leaving South Dakota without any good quiz bowl presence. One Sioux Falls team attended NAC last year, so Chipbowl is apparently still around. South Dakota is a great candidate for outreach because of their history with pyramidal, so if anyone from Western Iowa reads this board, see if you can get the Sioux Falls teams to come down for a tournament! Geographically, that’s probably the only reasonable way to get cross-pollination with an existing circuit.

Tennessee: B+ (up from B- in 2017)
Here’s some more good news! Tennessee now has a shiny, properly-run, corporate-sponsored state championship, and the rest of its tournament slate has also received several fresh coats of paint since 2017. The reactivation of the Vandy and USN teams gave Nashville a nice jolt, and a number of other teams have followed suit, particularly those supported by the Volunteer State’s robust middle school circuit. Rural East Tennessee remains tough to reach, but the valiant efforts of Chuck Pearson and UTK are finally paying off, with Chattanooga Arts and Sciences taking two teams to HSNCT and other teams like L&N Stem looking hale and hearty again.

Western Tennessee is a little slower going, with the pickings being limited to White Station’s annual tournament and the previously-discussed ones at Ole Miss, but teams like Collierville have become more active, so hopefully some more hosts step up in the near future.

Texas: B+ (no change from 2017)
Let’s start with the good: a Texas-sized slate of tournaments and a Texas-sized slate of teams fielding Texas-sized rosters, especially around Houston. The bad news is that, just as in 2017, there isn’t a ton of penetration beyond Houston and DFW, especially in rural areas. The fracture between TQBA and TCQT has probably hampered things, although TCQT has seen some nice outreach success with new teams. Meanwhile, El Paso continues to hum along on the other side of the desert. I’m a huge fan of the consistent tournaments and teams going to HSNCT, but not so much the single-elim and lack of stats (though I’ve heard inklings that Coronado may have rediscovered the rest of the quiz bowl world).

Utah: D- (down from D in 2017)
Massive shoutout to Carbon High School, who’ve kept playing online tournaments despite being possibly the last team in Utah aware of pyramidal. They also seem to have won the only Utah competition I could find on the internet, which was partially online but otherwise resembled standard quiz bowl, depending on the question quality and source. Driving distance is probably a limiting factor and the BYU/U of U teams appear to have petered out, but there’s likely room for good tournaments here if anyone local is interested in running them.

Vermont: A- (no change from 2017)
The field sizes are down post-COVID, but Vermont-NEA Scholars’ Bowl is still chugging along, updated website and all. Chris’ points from the previous posts are still valid (namely, that there aren’t many full Saturday tournaments but also that the level of participation in a small, rural state is outstanding). Especially compared to neighboring New Hampshire, the Green Mountain State is doing a fantastic job.

Virginia: A- (no change from 2017)
The DC area suffers from the same issues as Maryland (too many TV show gimmicks, not enough Saturday hosts), but overall things are pretty good in Virginia. VHSL isn’t perfect, but it is effective and its penetration into those hard to reach rural areas is great. VCU is a great circuit anchor, SWATA continues to do their thing, and the previously-little-touched Virginia Beach area is even starting to come alive.

Washington: D+ (no change from 2017)
The third leg of the Knowledge Bowl triumvirate sadly remains sturdy, though UW is doing their best to eat away at it. Their tournaments do draw a number of teams, but don’t seem to reach beyond Seattle much (shoutout to Ridgefield, who discovered pyramidal in 2023 and have been regular HSNCT attendees since).

West Virginia: C (down from B in 2017)
The Mountain State used to have a number of pyramidal Saturday tournaments, but those have mostly gone the way of the dodo (COVID is possibly to blame there). Ironically, there are actually more teams playing NAQT now than there were pre-COVID due to the state championship moving over in 2022. The catch is that both regionals and state use speedchecks and are straight double-elim with no prelims, so the majority of teams play only a few games.

Morgantown continues to be a beacon of light, hosting a tournament this year and frequently attending Pittsburgh events and HSNCT. There are also a number of West Virginia teams that trek over to Kentucky every now and again. The ingredients for a more active circuit are there, but no one’s stepped in yet to make things happen.

Wisconsin: C- (down from C in 2017)
Wisconsin the “sleeping giant” has yet to be awoken from its slumber. There are a few annual tournaments, but they draw the same 10-12 Madison-area teams year after year. Occasionally someone will make a trip to Minnesota (or even HSNCT), but the circuit as a whole has been in a holding pattern for a decade-plus. There’s probably potential for expansion into the Milwaukee area, which has been oddly silent since Wisconsin Hills joined the online COVID-era middle school circuit.

Wyoming: F (no change from 2017)
Still entirely nonpyramidal, with (to my knowledge) no history of pyramidal activity. Perusing the website, I see what appears to be Knowledge Bowl buzzer strips (except they’re yellow instead of the Minnesota green), so reform will probably be an uphill battle.

Conclusion:
22 states’ grades rose, while 11 dropped and 17 stayed the same. Arkansas, Indiana, Maine, and Nebraska each saw their grade increase by a full letter or more, while Arizona, California, South Dakota, and West Virginia each dropped by at least a full letter. Overall GPA improved from 2.08 to 2.228, although that’s a little misleading because many of the Ds and Fs are in less-populated states, mostly out west.

The biggest lesson I’ve taken away from this exercise is how transformative even one host can be in an underserved region. All four of the most-improved states were kick-started by (relatively new) college teams hosting tournaments, as were other notables like Oklahoma and New Mexico. Meanwhile, many of the backsliding states (like Arizona and South Dakota) have lost opportunities due to universities no longer hosting.

It’s great when high school circuits are self-sufficient (and indeed, self-sufficiency is itself needed for a truly stable circuit), but college teams tend to be the best hosts in developing areas. In many cases, they are the only local organizations with enough size and institutional knowledge to maintain best practices and adequately staff a medium-size tournament. Hosting high school tournaments provides college teams many benefits, from a fundraising source to a steady stream of graduating seniors that are often down to play in college. I think this sort of symbiotic relationship is one of the best ways to unlock new areas for quiz bowl to spread.

Re: The State of Good Quiz Bowl, State-by-State, 2025 Edition

Posted: Wed May 14, 2025 11:12 pm
by jonah
Halinaxus wrote: Wed May 14, 2025 10:13 pmColorado: C (up from C- in 2017)
Knowledge Bowl continues to dominate the Centennial State, but the rays of good quiz bowl are beginning to shine over the Rocky Mountains as much as they ever have. We’re now up to three annual pyramidal tournaments (plus a TV show that introduced some of them to NAQT questions, though it now seems to have changed providers to an unknown source) and a small handful of consistent nationals attendees. I hope to see those numbers continue to tick upward!
Rocky Mountain Quiz Kids is using NAQT questions this year.

Halinaxus wrote: Wed May 14, 2025 10:13 pmLouisiana: B (no change from 2017)
When we left Louisiana in 2017, they were suffering through a confusing disagreement among various factions as to the best way to move forward. I’m not entirely sure how that ended, but Louisiana does sport a sizable pyramidal circuit today, which is great to see. Unfortunately, the Pelican State appears to still be harboring Chipbowl as well, with a whopping ten Louisiana teams attending the most recent NAC. A number of Louisiana tournaments also appear to use odd formats that can result in multiple teams finishing undefeated, especially at the middle school level (are the playoffs just not being reported for some reason?).
No, those hosts have repeatedly assured us that they really did have multiple undefeated teams and they like it that way.

Halinaxus wrote: Wed May 14, 2025 10:13 pmMississippi: C (no change from 2017)
…Considering that the two Ole Miss tournaments consistently draw the largest fields (including a number of out of state teams), it’d be really cool if they started using standard rebracketed formats instead of single/double-elim (in which some teams drive in from hours away only to go home after just two games)! It appears that these tournaments are run by something called the Office of Pre-College Programs and possibly not by the actual Ole Miss quiz bowl team?
Correct regarding who runs those tournaments. I don't know if the quiz bowl team is involved at all — I think not — but they're not the organizers.

Halinaxus wrote: Wed May 14, 2025 10:13 pmMontana: D+ (up from D in 2017)
Sentinel’s appearance at HSNCT last year gets Big Sky a bump. If nothing else, it’s great to see that Frenchtown is still committed to hosting even as no one else seems interested. The Montana format seems quirky, with frequent byes, but at least sort of seems to resemble rebracketing and isn’t just straight single-elim.
I believe the Frenchtown tournaments use a wrestling-inspired playoff format that essentially consists of single-elimination for the championship but double-elimination for consolation.

Halinaxus wrote: Wed May 14, 2025 10:13 pmNorth Dakota: D (up from D- in 2017)
Similar to Montana: consistent tournaments at one host on a quirky format in a sparsely populated state that had one team trek down to nationals recently (in this case, Grafton at the 2023 SSNCT). There might be potential in Fargo if any experienced coach or TD ends up there, but otherwise this is what we’ve got.
Assuming you mean the Walsh-Pembina Academic Olympic Competition, for what it's worth, I believe this is not a buzzer-based event. They use NAQT questions for some sort of written competition.



I don't have time or energy for a deeper analysis (this is a rather busy time of year for me), but besides addressing a few specific things above, I'll mention that I think you have slightly underrated Kansas (some quiz bowl-like activity is surely better than none, and Alaska got a D– with none), underrated Kentucky (there is lots of quiz bowl there, including quality stuff), and overrated Vermont (I'm particularly comparing them in my head to Georgia).

Re: The State of Good Quiz Bowl, State-by-State, 2025 Edition

Posted: Wed May 14, 2025 11:46 pm
by Halinaxus
jonah wrote: Wed May 14, 2025 11:12 pm
Halinaxus wrote: Wed May 14, 2025 10:13 pmColorado: C (up from C- in 2017)
Knowledge Bowl continues to dominate the Centennial State, but the rays of good quiz bowl are beginning to shine over the Rocky Mountains as much as they ever have. We’re now up to three annual pyramidal tournaments (plus a TV show that introduced some of them to NAQT questions, though it now seems to have changed providers to an unknown source) and a small handful of consistent nationals attendees. I hope to see those numbers continue to tick upward!
Rocky Mountain Quiz Kids is using NAQT questions this year.
Ah, I assumed it had switched since I couldn't find it on the NAQT schedule but I imagine that's because it just hasn't finished yet.
jonah wrote: Wed May 14, 2025 11:12 pm I don't have time or energy for a deeper analysis (this is a rather busy time of year for me), but besides addressing a few specific things above, I'll mention that I think you have slightly underrated Kansas (some quiz bowl-like activity is surely better than none, and Alaska got a D– with none), underrated Kentucky (there is lots of quiz bowl there, including quality stuff), and overrated Vermont (I'm particularly comparing them in my head to Georgia).
All fair points. I originally had Kentucky higher and Vermont lower but readjusted their grades to stay more in line with Chris', since it didn't look like much had changed since 2017. The reason Kansas got an F while the states with no QB got D-'s was the criteria about bad organizations actively restricting good tournaments, since my (possibly incorrect) understanding is that the KSHSAA essentially bans tournaments other than their own.

Re: The State of Good Quiz Bowl, State-by-State, 2025 Edition

Posted: Thu May 15, 2025 12:54 am
by Salt Lake Dream
It's been a decade since I've really participated in any post about quizbowl on these forums, but I lucked out in finding this one. I'm going to be moving to Kansas in a couple of weeks, either to live in Topeka or Lawrence, and I had been wondering whether I might be able to find some sort of quizbowl scene to participate in, as a volunteer, or even part-time coach, just some level of participation. It's disappointing to see that quizbowl in Kansas is basically North Korea. Is there nothing that can be done to fix it? What exactly is the roadblock? Coaches? Administrators? Obviously there are hard-headed people all around, but does no one in a position of authority see the benefit to the kids of exposing them to better competition and better questions? Of allowing them to go out of state?

Re: The State of Good Quiz Bowl, State-by-State, 2025 Edition

Posted: Thu May 15, 2025 8:58 am
by Somewhere in the Stratosphere
The Arkansas board at least allows electronic material to be used in challenges now, so the reference book crates are no longer a staple of the best teams at Arkansas invitationals.

I can confirm that hosts usually write their own questions (with the help of their teams) and most tournaments, including state tournaments, have three randomly matched prelim games (although State tournament prelims are seeded by regionals record and PPG) followed by a single elimination playoff. However, the circuit does seem to be on an upward swing, with a consistent 2 pyramidal tournaments every year and the UArk QB team getting more involved possibly this coming year. We may receive a passing grade in Reilly's QB class come 2033.

Re: The State of Good Quiz Bowl, State-by-State, 2025 Edition

Posted: Thu May 15, 2025 11:55 am
by Halinaxus
Salt Lake Dream wrote: Thu May 15, 2025 12:54 am It's been a decade since I've really participated in any post about quizbowl on these forums, but I lucked out in finding this one. I'm going to be moving to Kansas in a couple of weeks, either to live in Topeka or Lawrence, and I had been wondering whether I might be able to find some sort of quizbowl scene to participate in, as a volunteer, or even part-time coach, just some level of participation. It's disappointing to see that quizbowl in Kansas is basically North Korea. Is there nothing that can be done to fix it? What exactly is the roadblock? Coaches? Administrators? Obviously there are hard-headed people all around, but does no one in a position of authority see the benefit to the kids of exposing them to better competition and better questions? Of allowing them to go out of state?
This thread is the most detailed source I've been able to find, though it's obviously quite old. Not sure if Eric or anyone else is able to provide more updated info?

I think the primary roadblock is the state organization people who come up with and administer the format, overly strict rules, etc. From what I remember, they've been uninterested in improvement for whatever reason, though I guess there's no harm in a fresh effort.

The first step might be to direct Kansas teams to the many online quiz bowl resources. Hopefully that might cause them to seek out good quiz bowl on their own, be it nationals or online tournaments or pushing for change on the home front.

Re: The State of Good Quiz Bowl, State-by-State, 2025 Edition

Posted: Thu May 15, 2025 2:46 pm
by 1.82
Regarding Kansas, Overland Park North Scholars (obviously a pseudonym) played HSNCT in both 2022 and 2023. When I visited Kansas City last summer, I stayed with friends of my parents and was surprised to discover that their son was familiar with quizbowl and had played HSNCT for this team. The same team also went undefeated two years ago at an A-set tournament in Missouri where it appears to have been the only out-of-state team. There's no record in the last two school years, but it would be interesting to know the situation there.

Re: The State of Good Quiz Bowl, State-by-State, 2025 Edition

Posted: Thu May 15, 2025 3:05 pm
by jonah
edit: ignore me, I was thinking of the wrong team

Re: The State of Good Quiz Bowl, State-by-State, 2025 Edition

Posted: Thu May 15, 2025 4:45 pm
by ValenciaQBowl
It’d be really cool if the FCSAA community colleges (which form the best-organized and most active community college circuit in the country) were able to host tournaments in the underserved areas.
That *would* be cool! In 2018 I held a HS tournament at Valencia (Orlando) at no charge to schools. I paid NAQT for an A set and provided snacks, drinks, and a pizza lunch. I was able to get twelve teams from seven schools, but when I contacted local high schools the next year, most of the coaches said they weren't interested, so I didn't host again. I mean, if a free tournament with free food isn't a draw, I don't know what else to do.

Orange County, home to Orlando, has a fall quiz bowl season that features tri-meets in which students and coaches write (uh, really bad) questions, and I haven't had much success in changing things despite repeatedly trying to contact coaches. But I reckon I can keep trying.

I think Gateway College in Lake City hosts a small HS tournament, too.

PS--I appreciate that Reilly has heard of FCSAA!

Re: The State of Good Quiz Bowl, State-by-State, 2025 Edition

Posted: Fri May 16, 2025 10:03 am
by troyharris
I’m not sure why the nonpyramidal teams aren’t interested in Plymouth’s tournaments, but either way it seems only Plymouth and Hanover (which straddles the border with Vermont) attend good tournaments.
-I wish we had a better answer for that, too. The general answers are: New teams in New Hampshire I believe are intimidated by the prowess of many of the powerhouse teams that show up here (specifically the Belmonts, Hanovers, Lexingtons, and in the past AMSA and Phillips Andovers, A/B, etc. of the world of quiz bowl). Bishop Guertin could have made the jump when Tim Morrison was dominating the NE circuit, but they chose to stick with NHQBL and have never really done more than dip their toes into the pyramidal quiz bowl world outside of the few years where he and a small contingent of teammates were essentially playing on their own. Merrimack has also ventured out and played in multiple formats, having met success due to dedicated players and their outstanding coach Sarah Campbell. All that being said, there are always B and sometimes even C teams that come to our events so the day isn't a complete struggle. The other issue that we have been made aware of is that many of the players enjoy the quick day style of the NHQBL over NAQT's full day events. I get both of those points, but as a coach who literally just started "going to events", that was the only way we got better. Kids got excited, they wanted to learn more, they started going to camp, they continued to get better, and we started to be able to compete with at least the mid-tier and occasionally pull of upsets over the top-tier teams in the region. I have always believed you can't really get better unless you play.

There is apparently a New Hampshire Quiz Bowl League, but its format appears to be speedchecks at best and features classic nonpyramidal rules like “players must be recognized before answering” and “the quiz master is the final judge on whether an answer is correct.” If I’m reading the rules correctly, it also seems that teams are allowed to confer on a tossup that’s been negged (but not if they’re the first to buzz).
-This assessment is correct. Questions are short and there are bounce backs on missed TUs. There are no bonuses. We switched to LIQBA this year as our question source and the questions were markedly better, but this league, Granite State Challenge through NHPTV, and a few other staggered events are really all most schools know about quiz bowl around New Hampshire. I think this may change a bit in the coming years, however, as there are some tremendous young players around the state that will be entering high school and I think they are going to be wanting more than what currently exists, and you will hopefully start seeing a few more teams attending events regularly.

Re: The State of Good Quiz Bowl, State-by-State, 2025 Edition

Posted: Fri May 16, 2025 10:10 am
by arjunvivekraj21
Minnesota: C+ (no change from 2017)
Minnesota continues to be an enigma, with a strong pyramidal circuit in the Twin Cities but a truly horrific amount of Knowledge Bowl around the rest of the state. Unfortunately, Knowledge Bowl is so disparate from good quiz bowl (most notably, the buzzers are entirely incompatible) that reform will be difficult. In the short term, I think the best way to make progress is to work within the system and try to get on a pyramidal or at least semi-pyramidal question provider while trying to get teams to see the benefits of QB with outreach tournaments. If I end up moving back to Minnesota after graduating college, I may take on MN Knowledge Bowl as my next outreach project, but I think my home state will prove a much tougher nut to crack than Indiana did.

As far as the actual quiz bowl circuit goes, Erik Nelson and Play Quiz Bowl have replaced R. and MQBA but otherwise things are much as they were in 2017: plenty of teams, plenty of tournaments, rather a bit too much single-elim, but overall a strong community given the geographic isolation from the rest of the quiz bowl world.

I will mention that we did get Edina to play more pyramidal quizbowl this year compared to knowledge bowl which is a good step in the right direction. I did talk to some teams at state and the problem is a lot of the teams prefer knowledge bowl than pyramidal quizbowl so even if you introduce them to it, I think it'll be hard to change people's idea of it.

Re: The State of Good Quiz Bowl, State-by-State, 2025 Edition

Posted: Fri May 16, 2025 12:16 pm
by BenWeiner27
arjunvivekraj21 wrote: Fri May 16, 2025 10:10 am I will mention that we did get Edina to play more pyramidal quizbowl this year compared to knowledge bowl which is a good step in the right direction. I did talk to some teams at state and the problem is a lot of the teams prefer knowledge bowl than pyramidal quizbowl so even if you introduce them to it, I think it'll be hard to change people's idea of it.
I think this has long been the struggle of converting teams from Knowledge Bowl to Quizbowl in Minnesota and I would have to imagine elsewhere as well. I think a non-trivial number of players of bad quizbowl actually prefer bad quizbowl to good quizbowl for a variety of reasons. The competition is generally less intense, the questions tend to line up a bit more with things that people just happen to know from school/life (particularly the increased emphasis on pop culture/current events/computational math even relative to NAQT sets), and the competition itself is structured more like an MSHSL sport than a random academic competition (e.g. schools are split into classes, there is a regular season which qualifies teams for a state tournament, the state is split into competitive sections based on geography, etc). While MNHSQBL obviously resembles a MSHSL sport more than the average Saturday tournament at UMN does, it wouldn't surprise me if a lot of schools' activities offices were more likely to gravitate towards the activity that is organized more like every other competitive sport and activity they offer.

I don't really have an answer for this problem and believe me I have thought about it since I would love to see Minnesota end up having the level of statewide support and participation that a state like Illinois has, but I realistically don't see that happening in the short to medium term unless the MSHSL formally sanctions quizbowl, which I'm not sure would be a good thing in the aggregate to be quite honest (it would certainly help with standardization and outreach, but could come at the cost of giving up the autonomy a lot of teams have to play the tournaments they want when they want to play them).

I think Minnesota is also at a somewhat unique disadvantage with regards to our outreach efforts such that there really aren't major universities outside of the Twin Cities Metro (I'm including Northfield in this definition since Carleton and St. Olaf are just barely across the Dakota County border) that could be outreach hubs and theoretically one day have their own Saturday tournaments / divisions of MNHSQBL. With 60% of the state's population living in the part of the state that already has quizbowl and also has just about all of the major higher academic institutions (yes Minnesota State Universities do exist as does Minnesota-Duluth, but they are relatively small compared to combined student bodies of UMN/UST/Mac/Carleton/St. Olaf)--there is not a clear site that could become a quizbowl hub in Greater MN hub akin to how UIUC and the associated Urbana-Champaign staffer pool are able to support a lot of teams from Central/Southern Illinois via their hosting and staffing of tournaments. In my mind, what would be required is for experienced quizbowlers from the Twin Cities to drive out to Duluth, Rochester, Moorhead, Mankato, Bemdiji, etc. to run tournaments and try to develop support there. In addition to a lot of schools being okay and actually preferring the bad quizbowl that knowledge bowl offers, quizbowl outreach probably doesn't pay enough to make it worth one's time for most people.

To not end this post on a pessimistic tone, I think the way forward is to hopefully one day work through Knowledge Bowl. There were rumors back in ~2020 that R. was potentially in negotiations for NAQT to become the KB question provider after their previous source retired (I'm not super tapped into the KB politics and I don't know how much of this is or is not true), but from what I've seen working in a lot of other states (as Reilly detailed quite well in the original post) it seems like to get teams into good quizbowl, a bridge program (whether it be NAQT, LIQBA, or some other contractor writing better questions to serve an existing format) is often needed. And if that bridge program would be NAQT one day providing speedchecks and lightning rounds to KB tournaments, I think that would be a great step in the right direction to eventually having every school in Minnesota playing tossup/bonus pyramidal quizbowl. Like I said, I'm not super tapped into the KB politics and I don't know who provides the questions currently/if they could be bought out, but I think that long term this is the avenue that will yield the most progress.

In the short term I think a really good outreach program in MN that someone could take up (I'd be happy to help out but probably couldn't lead it given my current schedule) is resuming the work R. was doing pre-COVID with regards to getting MPS and SPPS schools to play quizbowl as I think there was a lot of interest there leading up to COVID, but unfortunately it seems that the programs at Washburn and Southwest have been shut down for the time being. Admittedly that wouldn't improve our grade using this criteria, but it would help get more schools that have a history of demonstrated interest playing quizbowl.

Re: The State of Good Quiz Bowl, State-by-State, 2025 Edition

Posted: Fri May 16, 2025 2:16 pm
by KingPengy
BenWeiner27 wrote: Fri May 16, 2025 12:16 pm I think this has long been the struggle of converting teams from Knowledge Bowl to Quizbowl in Minnesota and I would have to imagine elsewhere as well. I think a non-trivial number of players of bad quizbowl actually prefer bad quizbowl to good quizbowl for a variety of reasons. The competition is generally less intense, the questions tend to line up a bit more with things that people just happen to know from school/life (particularly the increased emphasis on pop culture/current events/computational math even relative to NAQT sets), and the competition itself is structured more like an MSHSL sport than a random academic competition (e.g. schools are split into classes, there is a regular season which qualifies teams for a state tournament, the state is split into competitive sections based on geography, etc). While MNHSQBL obviously resembles a MSHSL sport more than the average Saturday tournament at UMN does, it wouldn't surprise me if a lot of schools' activities offices were more likely to gravitate towards the activity that is organized more like every other competitive sport and activity they offer.
BenWeiner27 wrote: Fri May 16, 2025 12:16 pm I think Minnesota is also at a somewhat unique disadvantage with regards to our outreach efforts such that there really aren't major universities outside of the Twin Cities Metro (I'm including Northfield in this definition since Carleton and St. Olaf are just barely across the Dakota County border) that could be outreach hubs and theoretically one day have their own Saturday tournaments / divisions of MNHSQBL. With 60% of the state's population living in the part of the state that already has quizbowl and also has just about all of the major higher academic institutions (yes Minnesota State Universities do exist as does Minnesota-Duluth, but they are relatively small compared to combined student bodies of UMN/UST/Mac/Carleton/St. Olaf)--there is not a clear site that could become a quizbowl hub in Greater MN hub akin to how UIUC and the associated Urbana-Champaign staffer pool are able to support a lot of teams from Central/Southern Illinois via their hosting and staffing of tournaments. In my mind, what would be required is for experienced quizbowlers from the Twin Cities to drive out to Duluth, Rochester, Moorhead, Mankato, Bemdiji, etc. to run tournaments and try to develop support there. In addition to a lot of schools being okay and actually preferring the bad quizbowl that knowledge bowl offers, quizbowl outreach probably doesn't pay enough to make it worth one's time for most people.
Both of these about sum up the situation well. The last major thing I would add is that Minnesota is pretty lacking for a good middle school scene, even for some top teams. I and every other Tonka player played knowledge bowl in middle school, and we were lucky enough to have advisors who recommended Quiz Bowl in high school rather than Tonka’s semi-successful high school KB program. The fact that even a school as prolific as Tonka doesn’t have a middle school team is its own problem that hopefully the team will address next year, both for team success and outreach purposes. But I would absolutely say the main thing is that KB is significantly easier. I love quizbowl because it is difficult and it rewards nerds like me, but if you just want fun trivia, KB is significantly better. Would love to see KB tournaments move to NAQT speedchecks but that could just lead to having another RAT-RACE. I love RAT-RACE, but how outsized it is compared to other QB tournaments in the state shows it’s not a catch-all. I also think Minnesota has a problem with not enough IS set tournaments that are well advertised, A sets seem to reign supreme here. I think Twin Cities circuit overall is doing fine and I don’t want to get too negative, but Knowledge Bowl reigns supreme in MN and I would love to see smaller schools play more pyramidal tournaments.

For some positives, Minnesota has a fairly active circuit with a lot of pyramidal tournaments, Chipbowl I believe is nonexistent here, and there is a proven pipeline from a good knowledge bowl team to a good quizbowl team (Edina may not have won a tournament this year, but they have an argument for second best team in the state even if I am a homer and thinks Tonka deserves it). I think, honestly, a good thing I could do is start playing KB again next year and almost marketing QB to the best players. However, even secondary scorers in quizbowl (like Tyler, as much as I love him) can dominate KB, so not sure how many KB players there are right now who would be good, but it’s necessary outreach to at least get them playing. Quizbowl is a learned sport after all! Would love MSHSL endorsement but the current system is so well-run not sure how much they would help. Just need outreach within the TC metro and especially outside of it, I think Duluth, Mankato, and Rochester could all have good scenes. If I stay around/come back after college, I might make this a pet project because I want other people to get the same QB experience I did and know it’s possible. Will probably need to buy something other than a minivan, but I’m willing to try to get at least one pyramidal tournament a year in each of those metros.

Re: The State of Good Quiz Bowl, State-by-State, 2025 Edition

Posted: Fri May 16, 2025 9:41 pm
by NickOfTime
Halinaxus wrote: Wed May 14, 2025 10:13 pm
Maine: B- (up from D- in 2017)
Nic Pruitt’s arrival in 2021 finally got Maine off the shnide, and its fledgling circuit is beginning to sprout wings, with 2024-25 marking its fourth year. There were only three in-state tournaments, but a number of teams made treks down into Massachusetts to fill their ledgers. No Chipbowl to speak of either, which is obviously a plus but also makes the number of brand-new teams all the more impressive. I’m grading on a curve again, but considering the lack of history and resources in the Pine Tree State they have earned the most improved ranking since 2017.
I'll be honest, this last year and a half has been rough in getting tournaments off the ground due to my own busy non-quiz bowl schedule. Next year, with the coaches in charge of running things, the bets are that there should be more tournaments and more circuit communication. It's been really cool building the Maine circuit up, and from talking to people at states people are really active and excited for next year and the future. Glad to see us get such high marks.

Re: The State of Good Quiz Bowl, State-by-State, 2025 Edition

Posted: Fri May 16, 2025 9:58 pm
by Sima Guang Hater
Halinaxus wrote: Thu May 15, 2025 11:55 am
Salt Lake Dream wrote: Thu May 15, 2025 12:54 am It's been a decade since I've really participated in any post about quizbowl on these forums, but I lucked out in finding this one. I'm going to be moving to Kansas in a couple of weeks, either to live in Topeka or Lawrence, and I had been wondering whether I might be able to find some sort of quizbowl scene to participate in, as a volunteer, or even part-time coach, just some level of participation. It's disappointing to see that quizbowl in Kansas is basically North Korea. Is there nothing that can be done to fix it? What exactly is the roadblock? Coaches? Administrators? Obviously there are hard-headed people all around, but does no one in a position of authority see the benefit to the kids of exposing them to better competition and better questions? Of allowing them to go out of state?
This thread is the most detailed source I've been able to find, though it's obviously quite old. Not sure if Eric or anyone else is able to provide more updated info?

I think the primary roadblock is the state organization people who come up with and administer the format, overly strict rules, etc. From what I remember, they've been uninterested in improvement for whatever reason, though I guess there's no harm in a fresh effort.

The first step might be to direct Kansas teams to the many online quiz bowl resources. Hopefully that might cause them to seek out good quiz bowl on their own, be it nationals or online tournaments or pushing for change on the home front.
Probably the easiest thing to do is just link up with a high school and host things on NAQT. While all schools play the KSHSAA format, individual schools are allowed to host on whatever questions they want.

Depending where you move - there's high schools in Topeka and Lawrence that would be pretty well-inclined to host things, if they were aware. Or getting a college to host something - K-state used to have a team, I wonder what happened to them.

Re: The State of Good Quiz Bowl, State-by-State, 2025 Edition

Posted: Fri May 16, 2025 10:04 pm
by a Joe
Reilly, I really appreciate this update. Chris's old lists inspired me a lot as well.

There's way more pyramidal Quizbowl going on than you think, mainly because a lot of the events we provide questions for are more off-the-grid. Please reach out to me at some point, and I'd be happy to fill you in on all the amazing things going on over here at the LIQBA; there's a lot of things we do that nobody in this community knows exists (for instance, state championships in Montana and North Dakota!)

Re: The State of Good Quiz Bowl, State-by-State, 2025 Edition

Posted: Fri May 16, 2025 10:09 pm
by a Joe
Sima Guang Hater wrote: Fri May 16, 2025 9:58 pm
Halinaxus wrote: Thu May 15, 2025 11:55 am
Salt Lake Dream wrote: Thu May 15, 2025 12:54 am It's been a decade since I've really participated in any post about quizbowl on these forums, but I lucked out in finding this one. I'm going to be moving to Kansas in a couple of weeks, either to live in Topeka or Lawrence, and I had been wondering whether I might be able to find some sort of quizbowl scene to participate in, as a volunteer, or even part-time coach, just some level of participation. It's disappointing to see that quizbowl in Kansas is basically North Korea. Is there nothing that can be done to fix it? What exactly is the roadblock? Coaches? Administrators? Obviously there are hard-headed people all around, but does no one in a position of authority see the benefit to the kids of exposing them to better competition and better questions? Of allowing them to go out of state?
This thread is the most detailed source I've been able to find, though it's obviously quite old. Not sure if Eric or anyone else is able to provide more updated info?

I think the primary roadblock is the state organization people who come up with and administer the format, overly strict rules, etc. From what I remember, they've been uninterested in improvement for whatever reason, though I guess there's no harm in a fresh effort.

The first step might be to direct Kansas teams to the many online quiz bowl resources. Hopefully that might cause them to seek out good quiz bowl on their own, be it nationals or online tournaments or pushing for change on the home front.
Probably the easiest thing to do is just link up with a high school and host things on NAQT. While all schools play the KSHSAA format, individual schools are allowed to host on whatever questions they want.

Probably the easiest thing to do is just link up with a high school and host things on NAQT. While all schools play the KSHSAA format, individual schools are allowed to host on whatever questions they want.

Depending where you move - there's high schools in Topeka and Lawrence that would be pretty well-inclined to host things, if they were aware. Or getting a college to host something - K-state used to have a team, I wonder what happened to them.
I think you all should know I tried to host pyramidal tournaments in Kansas last year, and was struck down by the KSHSAA's rule that no outside sponsors are allowed. I tried to host with a high school, but was told that was also against the rules. No high school was willing to host on 20/20 instead of the state format as it might violate another rule. I am not allowed to appeal any of these rules, and neither are you or pretty much anyone else; it has to come from a building principal. I, however, have made great inroads in the state selling questions for local invitationals, of which there are literally hundreds each year. Many of them do make attempts at pyramidality, and many closely resemble our own tournaments with large numbers of rounds, round-robin bracketing, and so on, with the only difference being the game format. There is so, so much more Quizbowl in that state than you would think; it's just the single most insular circuit, but may well be the largest and most deep circuit, in the country.

Re: The State of Good Quiz Bowl, State-by-State, 2025 Edition

Posted: Fri May 16, 2025 10:17 pm
by a Joe
BenWeiner27 wrote: Fri May 16, 2025 12:16 pm To not end this post on a pessimistic tone, I think the way forward is to hopefully one day work through Knowledge Bowl. There were rumors back in ~2020 that R. was potentially in negotiations for NAQT to become the KB question provider after their previous source retired (I'm not super tapped into the KB politics and I don't know how much of this is or is not true), but from what I've seen working in a lot of other states (as Reilly detailed quite well in the original post) it seems like to get teams into good quizbowl, a bridge program (whether it be NAQT, LIQBA, or some other contractor writing better questions to serve an existing format) is often needed. And if that bridge program would be NAQT one day providing speedchecks and lightning rounds to KB tournaments, I think that would be a great step in the right direction to eventually having every school in Minnesota playing tossup/bonus pyramidal quizbowl. Like I said, I'm not super tapped into the KB politics and I don't know who provides the questions currently/if they could be bought out, but I think that long term this is the avenue that will yield the most progress.
Sorry, one other comment-- We asked all the KB states to consider us as their question provider when we first started up. Colorado sent us a list of things they wanted to see in the questions, and they explicitly demanded hoses and non-uniquely-identifying questions. We turned them down.

However, in our communications, they did say that they'd be willing to eliminate the type of question that are deliberate hoses, as they said "Most of our teams don't like them anyway", so perhaps there's hope for the future.

Re: The State of Good Quiz Bowl, State-by-State, 2025 Edition

Posted: Sat May 17, 2025 12:30 am
by oriley
“Minnesota continues to be an enigma...”
For those unfamiliar: there are more high school Knowledge Bowl teams in Minnesota than there are high school hockey teams, and KB has been going since the 1980s. It is a deeply entrenched institution — making inroads into Knowledge Bowl in Minnesota is not easy. There is very much a vibe of “this is the way things are done here, this is the way things have always been here,” and so forth.

To my understanding, a number of outreach attempts were tried in the 2010s—unfortunately, to the extent that if you say you are a quizbowler a lot of KB coaches will just ignore your email. That being said, it’s been a long time since the last major outreach attempt, and I think there are likely to be pockets of teams that might be interested.

This probably sounds obvious, but I think it’s worth repeating, at least as framing. The way to convert teams in Minnesota, ultimately, is we have to get them to try quizbowl. Most KB teams have just never played (or even heard of) “pyramidal quizbowl,” and a few will find it very fun if they run into it. I cosign the hypothesis that a lot of roadblocks might start to fall if a consistent circuit can be established that is not in the Metro area, as having a second cluster of teams would be huge for tournament availability. Given its concentration of schools, I’ve always wanted to try Rochester, and that might be ideal here.

If you want to try and convince a KB team in Minnesota to run tournaments on semi-pyramidal questions, my understanding is that they will generally tell you to kick rocks. A quizbowler would have to run the tournament themselves and get schools to come to said tournament. Chaska would be ideal, given that they already have a KB tournament (is Cosmic Bowl still going?). In-person would also be preferable. I’m working on some northern teams, but aside from that geographic anomaly, anyone within reasonable distance of the Metro is going to prefer that to anything online.
As far as the actual quiz bowl circuit goes, Erik Nelson and Play Quiz Bowl have replaced R. and MQBA but otherwise things are much as they were in 2017: plenty of teams, plenty of tournaments, rather a bit too much single-elim, but overall a strong community given the geographic isolation from the rest of the quiz bowl world.
Yeah, quick emphasis on how annoying the five guaranteed games and single-elimination playoffs structure is (we should stop doing that). Arjun Vivekraj and Eden Prairie deserve a ton of credit for establishing a second school (besides UMN) that consistently runs housewrites and doesn’t do single-elimination. It’s been great to see the variety of available tournaments in the state increase.
I did talk to some teams at state and the problem is a lot of the teams prefer knowledge bowl than pyramidal quizbowl so even if you introduce them to it, I think it'll be hard to change people's idea of it.
I’ll write some thoughts on a separate thread of discussion, but yeah, this is also a problem.
and there is a proven pipeline from a good knowledge bowl team to a good quizbowl team
Quick pushback here because the point behind it is, unfortunately, important. There’s a pipeline from great KB team to good quizbowl team. Being good at quizbowl is a lot harder than being good at Knowledge Bowl. If you drop the tenth-best Knowledge Bowl team in the state in the quizbowl state championship, it’s not going to go well. When we do outreach to teams that aren’t in the top 5-10 of roughly 800 KB teams, we have to keep that in mind.

Re: The State of Good Quiz Bowl, State-by-State, 2025 Edition

Posted: Sat May 17, 2025 9:14 am
by Adventure Temple Trail
a Joe wrote: Fri May 16, 2025 10:04 pmThere's way more pyramidal Quizbowl going on than you think, mainly because a lot of the events we provide questions for are more off-the-grid. Please reach out to me at some point, and I'd be happy to fill you in on all the amazing things going on over here at the LIQBA; there's a lot of things we do that nobody in this community knows exists (for instance, state championships in Montana and North Dakota!)
Out of curiosity, are there efforts to get more of these events to be more visible to the online quizbowl community at large, and/or to connect people in these circuits with people outside of them? (E.g.: posting stats, results write-ups, updates of local alliance websites, "hey check out this team you've never heard about, they might be ready for nationals" type posts, etc.) I understand that sometimes local circuits might be reluctant or resistant, so it could be a drawn-out effort with only gradual changes thus far. It could also be that we don't know where to look for the connecting efforts that are underway.

Re: The State of Good Quiz Bowl, State-by-State, 2025 Edition

Posted: Sat May 17, 2025 9:18 am
by Somewhere in the Stratosphere
Out of curiosity, what is it about single-elim playoffs that makes them an example of "bad quizbowl?" I wasn't aware that the elimination structure of a tournament was part of the problem with an event/circuit, I just thought it was the questions being overly focused on trash or just plain speedcheck-y (or just outright incorrect, some of which I have played at past all-stars tournaments, which are a WHOLE different problem given some of the malpractice that goes on with THOSE questions)

Re: The State of Good Quiz Bowl, State-by-State, 2025 Edition

Posted: Sat May 17, 2025 10:54 am
by Stained Diviner
Somewhere in the Stratosphere wrote: Sat May 17, 2025 9:18 am Out of curiosity, what is it about single-elim playoffs that makes them an example of "bad quizbowl?" I wasn't aware that the elimination structure of a tournament was part of the problem with an event/circuit, I just thought it was the questions being overly focused on trash or just plain speedcheck-y (or just outright incorrect, some of which I have played at past all-stars tournaments, which are a WHOLE different problem given some of the malpractice that goes on with THOSE questions)
I'll speak about Illinois' experience, which is similar to a lot of states on this issue.

Back in the 1990s and very early 2000s, most tournaments in Illinois were large. Most teams would play five rounds and then go home. The top 8 or 16 would play single-elimination for the championship. This caused three problems:
1) Poor teams consistently played fewer matches than good teams, which meant that the poor teams had less of an opportunity to improve. If you're average or below average, you play five matches instead of the 8-9 that the top teams play, and the same thing happens at every tournament, so you get less experience than they do.
2) Single elimination does not do a good job of determining placement. A very good team would play one bad match or would get some unlucky bracket placement, and they would be kept out of the semifinals even though they were one of the top four teams.
3) It leads to fewer matches between competitive teams. The common tournament formats now have 4-6 rounds in the afternoon where good teams are playing good teams, average teams are playing average teams, and weak teams are playing weak teams. Those are good matches! They are enjoyable to play and are good learning experiences. The old format had a lot fewer of those types of matches. If you are a known novice team, getting placed in a pool with stronger teams and then going home after losing to them is not a good experience--if you lose your first several matches then you should play some other teams who did the same thing.

To be clear, at least in my opinion, good questions are more important than tournament format, but tournament format is important.

Re: The State of Good Quiz Bowl, State-by-State, 2025 Edition

Posted: Sat May 17, 2025 11:58 am
by Halinaxus
oriley wrote: Sat May 17, 2025 12:30 am A quizbowler would have to run the tournament themselves and get schools to come to said tournament. Chaska would be ideal, given that they already have a KB tournament (is Cosmic Bowl still going?). In-person would also be preferable. I’m working on some northern teams, but aside from that geographic anomaly, anyone within reasonable distance of the Metro is going to prefer that to anything online.
Cosmic Bowl is still going. If I end up near Chaska after graduating (which looks likely as of right now), I will probably offer to do something like this, though it'd obviously be contingent on support from the current coaches.
Adventure Temple Trail wrote: Sat May 17, 2025 9:14 am
a Joe wrote: Fri May 16, 2025 10:04 pmThere's way more pyramidal Quizbowl going on than you think, mainly because a lot of the events we provide questions for are more off-the-grid. Please reach out to me at some point, and I'd be happy to fill you in on all the amazing things going on over here at the LIQBA; there's a lot of things we do that nobody in this community knows exists (for instance, state championships in Montana and North Dakota!)
Out of curiosity, are there efforts to get more of these events to be more visible to the online quizbowl community at large, and/or to connect people in these circuits with people outside of them? (E.g.: posting stats, results write-ups, updates of local alliance websites, "hey check out this team you've never heard about, they might be ready for nationals" type posts, etc.) I understand that sometimes local circuits might be reluctant or resistant, so it could be a drawn-out effort with only gradual changes thus far. It could also be that we don't know where to look for the connecting efforts that are underway.
Strongly co-sign this point. One of things I love the most about NAQT is how they post results from every tournament they supply (those results are mostly how I was able to put the state grades together). I think it'd be really awesome if LIQBA did this too, to the extent that it's possible.
Stained Diviner wrote: Sat May 17, 2025 10:54 am
Somewhere in the Stratosphere wrote: Sat May 17, 2025 9:18 am Out of curiosity, what is it about single-elim playoffs that makes them an example of "bad quizbowl?" I wasn't aware that the elimination structure of a tournament was part of the problem with an event/circuit, I just thought it was the questions being overly focused on trash or just plain speedcheck-y (or just outright incorrect, some of which I have played at past all-stars tournaments, which are a WHOLE different problem given some of the malpractice that goes on with THOSE questions)
I'll speak about Illinois' experience, which is similar to a lot of states on this issue.

Back in the 1990s and very early 2000s, most tournaments in Illinois were large. Most teams would play five rounds and then go home. The top 8 or 16 would play single-elimination for the championship. This caused three problems:
1) Poor teams consistently played fewer matches than good teams, which meant that the poor teams had less of an opportunity to improve. If you're average or below average, you play five matches instead of the 8-9 that the top teams play, and the same thing happens at every tournament, so you get less experience than they do.
2) Single elimination does not do a good job of determining placement. A very good team would play one bad match or would get some unlucky bracket placement, and they would be kept out of the semifinals even though they were one of the top four teams.
3) It leads to fewer matches between competitive teams. The common tournament formats now have 4-6 rounds in the afternoon where good teams are playing good teams, average teams are playing average teams, and weak teams are playing weak teams. Those are good matches! They are enjoyable to play and are good learning experiences. The old format had a lot fewer of those types of matches. If you are a known novice team, getting placed in a pool with stronger teams and then going home after losing to them is not a good experience--if you lose your first several matches then you should play some other teams who did the same thing.

To be clear, at least in my opinion, good questions are more important than tournament format, but tournament format is important.
Strongly co-sign this too. There's basically no reason to ever use single-elim for a full-day tournament because rebracketing guarantees all teams more competitive games and does a better job of making the results reflect overall team skill/performance.

Re: The State of Good Quiz Bowl, State-by-State, 2025 Edition

Posted: Sat May 17, 2025 2:36 pm
by KingPengy
oriley wrote: Sat May 17, 2025 12:30 am
and there is a proven pipeline from a good knowledge bowl team to a good quizbowl team
Quick pushback here because the point behind it is, unfortunately, important. There’s a pipeline from great KB team to good quizbowl team. Being good at quizbowl is a lot harder than being good at Knowledge Bowl. If you drop the tenth-best Knowledge Bowl team in the state in the quizbowl state championship, it’s not going to go well. When we do outreach to teams that aren’t in the top 5-10 of roughly 800 KB teams, we have to keep that in mind.
Sorry, Edina probably isn’t the best example and I neglected that. I know a lot of people have talked about expanding outside the TC Metro, would it be a bad idea to make more MNQBL divisions? I think MNQBL would be great outreach cause it’s a-set, low commitment, but every team gets to play 12 games. I know the playoff teams would still have to go a long way, but I think that could be a good idea (as well as an expanded double elimination playoff bracket so more teams could play? just spitballing). Would be willing to work with anyone trying to get more outreach events, seeing as there’s so much “untapped potential” for more teams.

Re: The State of Good Quiz Bowl, State-by-State, 2025 Edition

Posted: Sat May 17, 2025 7:37 pm
by The Stately Rhododendron
If/When it's academic is canceled, a lot of DMV high schools will completely end their quizbowl programs. When I was a kid, I felt differently, but it really does keep quizbowl alive far more than regional tournaments too.

Re: The State of Good Quiz Bowl, State-by-State, 2025 Edition

Posted: Sun May 18, 2025 11:54 am
by NickOfTime
The Stately Rhododendron wrote: Sat May 17, 2025 7:37 pm If/When it's academic is canceled, a lot of DMV high schools will completely end their quizbowl programs. When I was a kid, I felt differently, but it really does keep quizbowl alive far more than regional tournaments too.
High School Quiz Show: Maine surviving the COVID years (namely 2022, it's really cool that season happened given everything) is a big reason why Maine Quiz Bowl exists and is allowed to grow. As much as people prefer playing in regional tournaments, it's hard to beat the prestige of being on TV.

Re: The State of Good Quiz Bowl, State-by-State, 2025 Edition

Posted: Sun May 18, 2025 1:39 pm
by Somewhere in the Stratosphere
NickOfTime wrote: Sun May 18, 2025 11:54 am it's hard to beat the prestige of being on TV.
Can concur. Playing on TV for the 2A championship was, to this point, the highlight of my career.

Re: The State of Good Quiz Bowl, State-by-State, 2025 Edition

Posted: Sun May 18, 2025 8:49 pm
by TusculumPearson
I'm never mad to be mentioned in these threads, but there needs to be credit where credit is due:
Halinaxus wrote: Wed May 14, 2025 10:13 pmTennessee: B+ (up from B- in 2017)
Here’s some more good news! Tennessee now has a shiny, properly-run, corporate-sponsored state championship, and the rest of its tournament slate has also received several fresh coats of paint since 2017. The reactivation of the Vandy and USN teams gave Nashville a nice jolt, and a number of other teams have followed suit, particularly those supported by the Volunteer State’s robust middle school circuit. Rural East Tennessee remains tough to reach, but the valiant efforts of Chuck Pearson and UTK are finally paying off, with Chattanooga Arts and Sciences taking two teams to HSNCT and other teams like L&N Stem looking hale and hearty again.

Western Tennessee is a little slower going, with the pickings being limited to White Station’s annual tournament and the previously-discussed ones at Ole Miss, but teams like Collierville have become more active, so hopefully some more hosts step up in the near future.
Please make sure Brian Hoover at Gallatin High receives the credit for catching a vision for a real state championship, doing the legwork to secure the Regions Bank corporate sponsorship, and tirelessly communicating with darn near every quizbowl and academic competition coach across the state of Tennessee to make the event as robust as it is. Eric Mukherjee (USN) and Sam Matson (Cookeville) have also been absolutely invaluable in helping propagate this vision as well, especially through the midstate. I've had an incredibly patient and generous in Raye Pedigo (Jefferson County) in East Tennessee, and Alex Payne and Shannon Lawson (Happy Valley) have also picked up this vision and we have high hopes for developing the East Tennessee circuit.

The old Tennessee Academic Coaches' Association was a mammoth misnomer; the current structure genuinely engages coaches and gets them in the best position to support competition. The challenge, especially in the western and eastern sides of the state, is to give teams the schedule and the opportunities to enjoy and improve gameplay.

So much of the development of the circuit comes down to willingness of teams to take chances to compete at the national level and show other schools what's possible; in the broadly defined region of East Tennessee I give credit to our Happy Valley friends for signing on for SSNCT and still playing SSNCT in 2025 through a host of difficulties, and Nick Siler and Kelley Mitchell at Chattanooga School of Arts and Sciences for literally barnstorming the state and, with their HSNCT turn, starting to build their national profile from scratch.

And, of course, so much of what's possible doesn't come without the great staffing among the UT-Knoxville team, with William Barnes and Alex Wyrick leading a great team who are even better hosts. I know our other colleges have done great stuff too, I just don't have as consistent contact with them to call out great people by name.

I'm very proud of the work that the scholastic bowl coaches in Southwest Virginia have done in creating SWATA, but Virginia has so much infrastructure and a bit of compensation for their quizbowl coaches because of VHSL's stamp on the scholastic bowl game. Tennessee has none of that. The names I call out above receive way too little recognition and even less compensation for what they do for the game. The obstacles against development of good academic competition in Tennessee are mammoth. I could tell tales of schools where players want to play but no teacher will take them on to organize a team and no parent group will support the organization.

It is a credit to so many talented and wonderful people in the state who care about their students and their academic development that we do as well as we do.

But there are stories that can be told like that in so may of our regions.

(Please also note: The most valuable contributors in our state, so frequently, can be classified very effectively among Anybody I Forgot.)

chuck

Re: The State of Good Quiz Bowl, State-by-State, 2025 Edition

Posted: Tue May 20, 2025 1:49 pm
by ctidwell
Somewhere in the Stratosphere wrote: Sat May 17, 2025 9:18 am Out of curiosity, what is it about single-elim playoffs that makes them an example of "bad quizbowl?" I wasn't aware that the elimination structure of a tournament was part of the problem with an event/circuit, I just thought it was the questions being overly focused on trash or just plain speedcheck-y (or just outright incorrect, some of which I have played at past all-stars tournaments, which are a WHOLE different problem given some of the malpractice that goes on with THOSE questions)
I’m pretty sure that it has to do with the fact that a good team could get beaten by a worse team and immediately be removed from playoff contention merely for having one bad game. However, it appears this question has already been answered… that’s just my opinion. By no means am I ardently against single-elimination playoffs, though. It makes it more like a sports competition (which makes me happy).

Re: The State of Good Quiz Bowl, State-by-State, 2025 Edition

Posted: Tue May 20, 2025 2:38 pm
by Somewhere in the Stratosphere
ctidwell wrote: Tue May 20, 2025 1:49 pm
Somewhere in the Stratosphere wrote: Sat May 17, 2025 9:18 am Out of curiosity, what is it about single-elim playoffs that makes them an example of "bad quizbowl?" I wasn't aware that the elimination structure of a tournament was part of the problem with an event/circuit, I just thought it was the questions being overly focused on trash or just plain speedcheck-y (or just outright incorrect, some of which I have played at past all-stars tournaments, which are a WHOLE different problem given some of the malpractice that goes on with THOSE questions)
I’m pretty sure that it has to do with the fact that a good team could get beaten by a worse team and immediately be removed from playoff contention merely for having one bad game. However, it appears this question has already been answered… that’s just my opinion. By no means am I ardently against single-elimination playoffs, though. It makes it more like a sports competition (which makes me happy).
I think there definitely is a place for single elim playoffs, but by and large I agree with the points raised that, through the regular season, not allowing poor teams an ample amount of gameplay seems detrimental to parity in quizbowl, which, especially in an Arkansas circuit dominated by the Evil Empire of chipbowl, Russellville (probably best chipbowl team in the country, and the sad thing is they'd definitely be somewhat successful on pyramidal), is not something we want. By and large, I feel Arkansas tournaments, particularly those few pyramidal events engineered to expose new populations of players to good quizbowl, should be in round-robin format, as there's no real point in having a playoff for Arkansas NAQT-question events as there aren't enough teams to necessitate that. Most of the time (and this holds true for nearly all Arkansas tournaments), there is a significantly better echelon of 2-3 teams atop the field (ASMSA and LR Central at the Harding invitational, Batesville at - well, the Batesville invitational, I can link to stats if you're curious). At this stage of Arkansas quizbowl, in which there is a minor breakthrough of good quizbowl that we're working to expand across the state, the primary concern as far as NAQT-question events should be giving as many teams as many games on these questions as possible and getting as many Arkansas teams HSNCT and SSNCT-qualified as possible to expand the influence of pyramidal quizbowl across the Natural State.

Re: The State of Good Quiz Bowl, State-by-State, 2025 Edition

Posted: Sat May 31, 2025 1:54 pm
by 1992 in spaceflight
Halinaxus wrote: Wed May 14, 2025 10:13 pm Missouri: A (up from B+ in 2017)
My understanding is that there’s still pockets of bad quiz bowl, MSHSAA is still annoying (with arbitrary restrictions on how many competitions teams can play and when), and the state championship uses round robin into single-elim (sigh). All of that is why Missouri gets an A instead of an A+. All of this is why Missouri gets an A. There’s just so much quiz bowl all over the state, at a level not seen anywhere other than Illinois. Practically every set gets multiple Missouri mirrors every year, and the Show-Me state punches far above its weight at nationals (particularly SSNCT). Massive kudos to the folks at MOQBA for making it all happen.
I am very happy with where MOQBA and the Missouri circuit is at now, but that doesn't mean there aren't things we could be doing better. We have two major areas of the state where we need to get events running (and we will get events run up there, in my opinion it's just a matter of time), and I think we'll have those pockets dropped down to be even lower.

There's a proposal that's going to be voted on by MSHSAA member schools to change the contest limitation from contests to contest days (so to me, it seems like nationals would be 2-3 days each, but since each of our tournamnets are 1 day, that would give more teams more events they could play). I think this could work for us.

One of my goals for next year is to spread awareness of our tournaments to more schools in Missouri and to our friends out of state, especially for tournaments near our borders with Illinois, Arkansas and Kansas.

This year has, on the whole, been an awesome year to have as my first year as the President of MOQBA. I have nothing but praise for all of the members of the organization, especially since we have a diverse membership and many diverse viewpoints, and yet we all manage to do great work keeping the circuit and organization running smoothly. Can't say enough good things about everyone who is in the organization, all of the coaches who hosted a MOQBA-certified tournament this year, and all of the housewrite organizers, NAQT, IQBT and other writers and editors who let us use your sets in the state this year. You all rock.

Re: The State of Good Quiz Bowl, State-by-State, 2025 Edition

Posted: Sat May 31, 2025 3:09 pm
by Somewhere in the Stratosphere
1992 in spaceflight wrote: Sat May 31, 2025 1:54 pm One of my goals for next year is to spread awareness of our tournaments to more schools in Missouri and to our friends out of state, especially for tournaments near our borders with Illinois, Arkansas and Kansas.
MOQBA influence in Arkansas can only do good. With some leadership changes happening (Carolyn Shry, the longtime AGQBA State director, is retiring), this small window in which many of the state's top players are aware of pyramidal quizbowl and advocate for positive change and NAQT national representation from Arkansas teams, we have an opportunity to vastly improve the quality and participation in good QB among Arkansas teams. My team is further south, but I know there are some teams further north, particularly Batesville (which has played 3 straight HSNCTs and has begun hosting an annual NAQT nationals qualifier). LR Central played a pyramidal tournament this past year but opted for NAC instead of HSNCT (which is odd, because they had the best player in Arkansas on their team, and he put up 130 per game on IS-A); they have been exposed to NAQT quizbowl and may be open to holding one themselves. If this would be something of interest, I could provide a list of coaches who may be open to possibly hosting a MOQBA Novice mirror.

Re: The State of Good Quiz Bowl, State-by-State, 2025 Edition

Posted: Sat May 31, 2025 3:28 pm
by 1992 in spaceflight
Somewhere in the Stratosphere wrote: Sat May 31, 2025 3:09 pm
1992 in spaceflight wrote: Sat May 31, 2025 1:54 pm One of my goals for next year is to spread awareness of our tournaments to more schools in Missouri and to our friends out of state, especially for tournaments near our borders with Illinois, Arkansas and Kansas.
MOQBA influence in Arkansas can only do good. With some leadership changes happening (Carolyn Shry, the longtime AGQBA State director, is retiring), this small window in which many of the state's top players are aware of pyramidal quizbowl and advocate for positive change and NAQT national representation from Arkansas teams, we have an opportunity to vastly improve the quality and participation in good QB among Arkansas teams. My team is further south, but I know there are some teams further north, particularly Batesville (which has played 3 straight HSNCTs and has begun hosting an annual NAQT nationals qualifier). LR Central played a pyramidal tournament this past year but opted for NAC instead of HSNCT (which is odd, because they had the best player in Arkansas on their team, and he put up 130 per game on IS-A); they have been exposed to NAQT quizbowl and may be open to holding one themselves. If this would be something of interest, I could provide a list of coaches who may be open to possibly hosting a MOQBA Novice mirror.
My email is [email protected]. I will have to do some talking with other stakeholders and members of MOQBA (we have our annual meeting in July) and am helping to organize our NASAT trip, so I can't promise an immediate response, but will definitely do my best to respond in a timely manner.

Feel free to share this email address with interested people.

Re: The State of Good Quiz Bowl, State-by-State, 2025 Edition

Posted: Sat May 31, 2025 9:02 pm
by cottonmouth
BenWeiner27 wrote: Fri May 16, 2025 12:16 pm
arjunvivekraj21 wrote: Fri May 16, 2025 10:10 am I will mention that we did get Edina to play more pyramidal quizbowl this year compared to knowledge bowl which is a good step in the right direction. I did talk to some teams at state and the problem is a lot of the teams prefer knowledge bowl than pyramidal quizbowl so even if you introduce them to it, I think it'll be hard to change people's idea of it.
I think this has long been the struggle of converting teams from Knowledge Bowl to Quizbowl in Minnesota and I would have to imagine elsewhere as well. I think a non-trivial number of players of bad quizbowl actually prefer bad quizbowl to good quizbowl for a variety of reasons.

In the short term I think a really good outreach program in MN that someone could take up (I'd be happy to help out but probably couldn't lead it given my current schedule) is resuming the work R. was doing pre-COVID with regards to getting MPS and SPPS schools to play quizbowl as I think there was a lot of interest there leading up to COVID, but unfortunately it seems that the programs at Washburn and Southwest have been shut down for the time being. Admittedly that wouldn't improve our grade using this criteria, but it would help get more schools that have a history of demonstrated interest playing quizbowl.

Adding in more MN perspective here. I was working at Southwest earlier this year, and a teacher there was interested in starting a Knowledge Bowl/Quiz Bowl team. I talked with him and tried to get him connected with MNHSQBL and Play Quiz Bowl all while I discussed with him the benefits of Quiz Bowl over Knowledge Bowl. He didn't end up starting a team for unrelated reasons, but he simply did not care about pyramidality or question security. His experience with academic knowledge competitions was bar trivia, and so he only really cared about students being able to answer trivia-style questions, and for cheap. I imagine this mentality is prevalent among the coaches of the Knowledge Bowl stronghold as well as the students you mention.

Re: The State of Good Quiz Bowl, State-by-State, 2025 Edition

Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2025 5:52 pm
by Everything in the Whole Wide World
Halinaxus wrote: Wed May 14, 2025 10:13 pm Pennsylvania: B (down from B+ in 2017)
Pennsylvania’s overall scene is pretty strong, with high levels of involvement around the state, even in the sparsely-populated central and northern regions. The Pittsburgh area is a little isolated, but consistent hosting from UPitt and Carnegie Mellon have kept it afloat. The biggest issue is that many of the leagues (and the state championship they feed into, which is held in the state capitol building) use an awkward three-team setup that doesn’t really lend itself to good rebracketing formats and reminds me of Knowledge Bowl. Unfortunately, it seems like an entrenched institution resistant to change. I also noticed that the Philadelphia city championship stopped running after 2022, taking away a number of inner-city teams’ only competition. If anyone in the Philly area is able to put something like that back together, it seems like a worthy cause.
This is an extremely fair assessment of the current shape quizbowl in the Keystone State. After an extended post-COVID lull, a lot has bounced back and coaches in the state have done a great job organizing and assembling a schedule together. Breaking it down by region, participation in Northeastern PA is up, Western PA is down, and Southeastern PA (minus Philadelphia) is probably about the same. The Philadelphia city circuit was unfortunately shrinking even before the city champs shut down, and a combination of UPenn not hosting events or announcing them too late, plus the retirement of a couple lynchpin coaches, led to it going dormant. I think the way to get it back would be regular high school tournaments hosted at Penn, or Temple/Drexel/LaSalle if those colleges got quizbowl teams. Transit costs are an issue that prevents all but the Quaker Schools from leaving to play in the suburbs.

The people that run the state tournament and several of the local leagues are slooooowly seeming to indicating willingness to reform, but it's been tough going. Their biggest stumbling block seems to be an inability to understand that the same questions can be read at different sites on different days, so they buy up massive amounts of NAQT questions which somewhat limits the availability of high quality, difficulty appropriate sets that can be played on Saturdays. That being said, the hosts do a good job coordinating what's left in a way that makes geographic sense, and there are a few leagues (the one in the Lancaster-Lebanon area especially) which are running on as high quality a pyramidal standard as anywhere in America.

Re: The State of Good Quiz Bowl, State-by-State, 2025 Edition

Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2025 8:59 pm
by Halinaxus
ValenciaQBowl wrote: Thu May 15, 2025 4:45 pm PS--I appreciate that Reilly has heard of FCSAA!
Very late reply, but I once powered a question in high school off of Florida community college geography knowledge acquired from looking at quiz bowl stats (not the only time I've scored points from quiz bowl meta geo knowledge). I don't remember which one it was, possibly Gateway or Tallahassee?

I'm frankly flabbergasted that a free tournament puttered out due to lack of interest, but I commend you for trying. This thread indicates there's at least some demand for more tournaments; maybe there'd be more interest now between those schools and the new programs up in Gainesville?

Re: The State of Good Quiz Bowl, State-by-State, 2025 Edition

Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2025 9:06 am
by ValenciaQBowl
Thanks for sharing that link, Reilly. I don't look at the HS forums often. I'll think about trying for another early spring HS tournament at Valencia in 2026, so if anyone reading this is at a HS that could be interested, please get in touch!

Re: The State of Good Quiz Bowl, State-by-State, 2025 Edition

Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2025 11:11 pm
by Quizbowl Vítězí
Halinaxus wrote: Wed May 14, 2025 10:13 pm Oklahoma: B- (up from C in 2017)
The Sooner State is my favorite quiz bowl state right now aside from Indiana, because there are so many parallels between the two. Traditional nonpyramidal stronghold? Check. Recent pyramidal renaissance powered by a new college team/teams hosting tournaments? Check. Brand-new or previously inactive teams rapidly making runs to prominence on their own initiative? Check. Wholesome and positive culture with rival players becoming good friends? Check (as far as I know; I’ve only ever heard good things about OKQB). Prodigy middle schooler making national noise? Check. First generation of pyramidal players graduating and powering the same school(s) that started it all? Check, check, check, check, check.

2024 Cooper Award winner Tracey Hickman has built a pyramidal circuit on top of the OSSAA, and teams like Yukon, Classen, and Morris have blasted through the door he opened. There’s still too much nonpyramidal and too many Oklahoma teams playing NAC, but this is the best Oklahoma has ever been and it all looks very sustainable. Tracey’s Murray State team, which to my knowledge is sponsored by the college as any other sport, is also a huge accomplishment for quiz bowl.
Yeah, that's true about Murray State, and the same is true for Redlands. A lot of OK's better players who don't go straight on to schools like UCO, OU, OkSt, or elsewhere get recruited by Rain or Hickman to play for the community college teams, who give out scholarships for quizbowl as well. It's crazy how much the pyramidal circuit has grown here since the pandemic.