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In this thread please post comments or suggestions you have about specific questions in the set. I'll be happy to post the text of questions here, but it would be nice to have a reason for the request.

I have already added "Millerites" as a prompt on the question on Seventh Day Adventists and "holiness" as acceptable for the question on piety per feedback from James from GPS.
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I’ve learned my lesson about commenting on transparent tossups or tossup with misplaced clues, so I will stick to major errors in questions.

Could I see the tossup on “the draft” from round 7? The leadin is extremely ambiguous.

The Symphonie Fantastique tossup from round 6 leads in with the notes of the Dies Irae, which appear in many pieces. Michael Li told me about this and might have told you too, so ask him about this.
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Could I see the tossups on "Aristotle" and "evil"?

Also, my teammate on our B team negged the "Stanford" tossup with "California" after the first clue. If I recall correctly, the first line referred to the answer as "this location." If that's the case, I think his answer should've at least been prompted.
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I thought Carracci as a hard part was a little too difficult (he was a medium part at 2013 ACF Nats and a hard part at 2014 PACE); the same went for Cimabue, who seemed pretty hard for this difficulty, although I'm not the greatest art player. Also, the tossup on Japan clued the same guy as the first line of the boxing tossup from FACTS and the boxing tossup from 2016 Penn Bowl.

As Matt said earlier, could I see the tossup on Symphonie Fantastique, in addition to the tossup on Debussy? If I'm remembering correctly, the Debussy tossup's first line was describing the left hand just playing a pentatonic scale, which seems like it could be ambiguous.

Finally, I thought a lot of the easy parts and leadins to bonuses tended to be longer than they could have been, which can make them seem to drag on and be annoying at times. I did appreciate some of the funny ones, though.
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Could I see the tossup on W.H. Auden because, if I recall correctly, William Carlos Williams also did a poem based off of Pieter Brueghel's Landscape with the Fall of Icarus.

Also thanks for making such a great set, the questions were challenging and fun to play! I especially enjoyed the literature distribution!
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Curious Homunculus wrote: Sun Jan 27, 2019 7:33 pm Could I see the tossup on “the draft” from round 7? The leadin is extremely ambiguous.
This practice was addressed in Cohen vs. California after a man was arrested for wearing an obscene t-shirt criticizing this practice. This practice was opposed by the “Baltimore Four” and more famously by the “Catonsville Nine” who poured blood over certain objects. A massive series of riots over this practice in (*) 1863 levelled the Colored Orphan Asylum in Manhattan and forced Abraham Lincoln to call in state militias to restore order. Jimmy Carter pardoned people who avoided this practice by moving to Canada. For 10 points name this practice of forced conscription which can be illegally “dodged.”
ANSWER: The Draft [accept Selective Service; prompt on conscription] <American History, JB><ed. AH>

The first clue is pretty unambiguous in my opinion, so I'm curious exactly what other answer you think should've been acceptable.
dni wrote: Sun Jan 27, 2019 8:15 pm Could I see the tossups on "Aristotle" and "evil"?

Also, my teammate on our B team negged the "Stanford" tossup with "California" after the first clue. If I recall correctly, the first line referred to the answer as "this location." If that's the case, I think his answer should've at least been prompted.
One work by this philosopher distinguishes between qualities that are “said of” objects and qualities “in” objects. In addition to making the distinction between primary and secondary substances in the Categories, this philosopher speculated that there might be as many as 45 unmoved (*) movers after arguing for the existence of God on the basis of final causes. This philosopher described virtue by the doctrine of the mean and held that the “the good” is a complete and self-sufficient end towards which all actions strive. For 10 points, name this author of Nicomachean Ethics who was a student of Plato.
ANSWER: Aristotle <Philosophy, AH><ed. AH>

Attempts to account for this concept are classified as theodicies, a name that comes from a Gottfried Leibniz work that Voltaire satirizes in Candide with the recurring line “this is the best of all possible worlds!” In On the Free Choice of the Will, St. Augustine identifies the existence of this concept as a result of human efforts that are (*) unhindered by divine intervention, meaning God cannot be the final cause of this concept. It’s not sin or death, but Augustine believes that it came into the world as a result of the original disobedience of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. For 10 points, name this ethical concept that is often contrasted with good.
ANSWER: evil <Philosophy, AH><ed. AH>

I was already planning to make the first line of the evil tossup harder.

An experiment run in this location tested children in delayed gratification with the offering of a certain foodstuff, the results of which correlated positively with metrics of success later in life. An experiment conducted at this place was recorded in The Lucifer Effect and saw participant 416 go on hunger strike; that experiment performed at this (*) institution was stopped by Christina Maslach after she witnessed cruel treatment such as “privilege cells” and solitary confinement. That experiment aimed to study role internalization and the effect of power on “guards” and “inmates.” For 10 points, name this university in California, the setting to Philip Zimbardo’s prison experiment.
ANSWER: Stanford University <Social Science, AK><ed. AH and OC>

I have added a prompt on "California" to the answerline; I agree that is a technically correct answer.
zeebli123 wrote: Sun Jan 27, 2019 8:57 pm I thought Carracci as a hard part was a little too difficult (he was a medium part at 2013 ACF Nats and a hard part at 2014 PACE); the same went for Cimabue, who seemed pretty hard for this difficulty, although I'm not the greatest art player.
Yeah the first two answerlines you mentioned were probably on the hard side, but since our target difficulty is regs+ I'd say it's relatively OK to have a few hard parts align with PACE hard part level.
zeebli123 wrote: Sun Jan 27, 2019 8:57 pm As Matt said earlier, could I see the tossup on Symphonie Fantastique, in addition to the tossup on Debussy? If I'm remembering correctly, the Debussy tossup's first line was describing the left hand just playing a pentatonic scale, which seems like it could be ambiguous.
A heavy brass motif in this work begins E-flat D E-flat C and is accompanied by the tolling of a bell. This work’s third movement contains a theme from the same composer’s unsuccessful Messe solennelle. That movement, which ends with four timpani imitating thunder, calls for a cor anglais and offstage oboe to evoke an exchange between two (*) shepherds. In this work, pizzicato notes follow a sforzando chord to represent a beheading shortly after the clarinet plays the idée fixe to represent Harriet Smithson. That movement depicts a March to the Scaffold after a Witches’ Sabbath. For 10 points, name this symphony chronicling the life of an opium-addled composer, by Hector Berlioz.
ANSWER: Symphonie Fantastique <Auditory Art, DY><ed. OC>

One of this composer’s pieces for solo piano opens in pianissimo with the left hand playing the notes B flat, C, D, G up and down. The eighth of his Préludes was inspired by a Leconte de Lisle poem, and other works in that collection include “What the West Wind Saw” and “The Sunken Cathedral.” Movements entitled (*) Doctor Gradus ad Parnassum and Golliwogg’s Cakewalk begin and end this composer’s Children’s Corner suite. Another of his pieces imitates a satyr playing the panpipes. The third movement of his Suite Bergamasque was inspired by a Paul Verlaine poem and evokes moonlight. For 10 points, name this composer of Prelude to the Afternoon of a Faun and Clair de Lune.
ANSWER: Claude Debussy <Auditory Art, DY><ed. OC>
worr72 wrote: Sun Jan 27, 2019 9:28 pm Could I see the tossup on W.H. Auden because, if I recall correctly, William Carlos Williams also did a poem based off of Pieter Brueghel's Landscape with the Fall of Icarus.
This poet wrote “time will say nothing but I told you so” in the villanelle “If I Could Tell You.” One of his poems describes “the lie of Authority / whose buildings grope the sky” and “children afraid of the night / Who have never been happy or good.” Another poem depicts “something amazing, a boy falling out of the sky” and begins “About suffering they were never wrong, the (*) Old Masters”; that poem was based on a Brueghel painting. The speaker of another poem contemplates how “the clever hopes expire / of a low dishonest decade” as he sits “in one of the dives / On 52nd street.” For 10 points, name this poet of “Musée des Beaux Arts” and “September 1, 1939.”
ANSWER: Wystan Hugh Auden <OC> <ed. OC>

The reference in the tossup is to:
"In Breughel's Icarus, for instance: how everything turns away
Quite leisurely from the disaster; the ploughman may
Have heard the splash, the forsaken cry,
But for him it was not an important failure; the sun shone
As it had to on the white legs disappearing into the green
Water, and the expensive delicate ship that must have seen
Something amazing, a boy falling out of the sky,
Had somewhere to get to and sailed calmly on."
from Musée des Beaux Arts. I agree that's a reasonable and unfortunate neg, though.
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For the "Silent Snow, Secret Snow" bonus part, I don't think it was ever explicitly stated that Paul had schizophrenia. All signs point to it, but I'm not sure if it could be 100% proven, and it's mainly based on inference. Should inferred traits from a story constitute an answerline if it seems like it can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt?
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In any event, I think the bonus part was quite hard for HS regs, even with the "detached from reality" phrasing.
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ansonberns wrote: Sun Jan 27, 2019 10:43 pm A heavy brass motif in this work begins E-flat D E-flat C and is accompanied by the tolling of a bell. This work’s third movement contains a theme from the same composer’s unsuccessful Messe solennelle. That movement, which ends with four timpani imitating thunder, calls for a cor anglais and offstage oboe to evoke an exchange between two (*) shepherds. In this work, pizzicato notes follow a sforzando chord to represent a beheading shortly after the clarinet plays the idée fixe to represent Harriet Smithson. That movement depicts a March to the Scaffold after a Witches’ Sabbath. For 10 points, name this symphony chronicling the life of an opium-addled composer, by Hector Berlioz.
ANSWER: Symphonie Fantastique <Auditory Art, DY><ed. OC>
Although the first clue here is probably unique, it only is based on the key, which depends on the player's having perfect pitch, having played the piece, or having read the score; and the orchestration, which seems doesn't seem too evocative and may also not be unique, but I can't think of any examples.
ansonberns wrote: Sun Jan 27, 2019 10:43 pm One of this composer’s pieces for solo piano opens in pianissimo with the left hand playing the notes B flat, C, D, G up and down. The eighth of his Préludes was inspired by a Leconte de Lisle poem, and other works in that collection include “What the West Wind Saw” and “The Sunken Cathedral.” Movements entitled (*) Doctor Gradus ad Parnassum and Golliwogg’s Cakewalk begin and end this composer’s Children’s Corner suite. Another of his pieces imitates a satyr playing the panpipes. The third movement of his Suite Bergamasque was inspired by a Paul Verlaine poem and evokes moonlight. For 10 points, name this composer of Prelude to the Afternoon of a Faun and Clair de Lune.
ANSWER: Claude Debussy <Auditory Art, DY><ed. OC>
Forget what I said about this leadin. It might be a good idea to eventually clue the piece in question, or to add it in a note at the end, though.
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ansonberns wrote: Sun Jan 27, 2019 10:43 pm
Curious Homunculus wrote: Sun Jan 27, 2019 7:33 pm Could I see the tossup on “the draft” from round 7? The leadin is extremely ambiguous.
This practice was addressed in Cohen vs. California after a man was arrested for wearing an obscene t-shirt criticizing this practice. This practice was opposed by the “Baltimore Four” and more famously by the “Catonsville Nine” who poured blood over certain objects. A massive series of riots over this practice in (*) 1863 levelled the Colored Orphan Asylum in Manhattan and forced Abraham Lincoln to call in state militias to restore order. Jimmy Carter pardoned people who avoided this practice by moving to Canada. For 10 points name this practice of forced conscription which can be illegally “dodged.”
ANSWER: The Draft [accept Selective Service; prompt on conscription] <American History, JB><ed. AH>

The first clue is pretty unambiguous in my opinion, so I'm curious exactly what other answer you think should've been acceptable.
I buzzed on California or shortly thereafter and said “free speech,” which is the technically correct answer at that point—the case is about the limits of free speech as it happens to relate to the draft. The leadin could easily be rearranged to say “A man wearing an obscene jacket criticizing this practice was the plantiff in Cohen v California.”
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ansonberns wrote: Sun Jan 27, 2019 10:43 pm Attempts to account for this concept are classified as theodicies, a name that comes from a Gottfried Leibniz work that Voltaire satirizes in Candide with the recurring line “this is the best of all possible worlds!” In On the Free Choice of the Will, St. Augustine identifies the existence of this concept as a result of human efforts that are (*) unhindered by divine intervention, meaning God cannot be the final cause of this concept. It’s not sin or death, but Augustine believes that it came into the world as a result of the original disobedience of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. For 10 points, name this ethical concept that is often contrasted with good.
ANSWER: evil <Philosophy, AH><ed. AH>
So, I actually negged this question after the first clue with "God," since my understanding is that a theodicy attempts to reconcile the existence of God with the existence of evil. I think if this clue stays in the question as the leadin it could be made less ambiguous.
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dni wrote: Mon Jan 28, 2019 12:02 am So, I actually negged this question after the first clue with "God," since my understanding is that a theodicy attempts to reconcile the existence of God with the existence of evil. I think if this clue stays in the question as the leadin it could be made less ambiguous.
I've rewritten this tossup substantially.
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Curious Homunculus wrote: Mon Jan 28, 2019 12:01 am
ansonberns wrote: Sun Jan 27, 2019 10:43 pm
Curious Homunculus wrote: Sun Jan 27, 2019 7:33 pm Could I see the tossup on “the draft” from round 7? The leadin is extremely ambiguous.
This practice was addressed in Cohen vs. California after a man was arrested for wearing an obscene t-shirt criticizing this practice. This practice was opposed by the “Baltimore Four” and more famously by the “Catonsville Nine” who poured blood over certain objects. A massive series of riots over this practice in (*) 1863 levelled the Colored Orphan Asylum in Manhattan and forced Abraham Lincoln to call in state militias to restore order. Jimmy Carter pardoned people who avoided this practice by moving to Canada. For 10 points name this practice of forced conscription which can be illegally “dodged.”
ANSWER: The Draft [accept Selective Service; prompt on conscription] <American History, JB><ed. AH>

The first clue is pretty unambiguous[/url] in my opinion, so I'm curious exactly what other answer you think should've been acceptable.
I buzzed on California or shortly thereafter and said “free speech,” which is the technically correct answer at that point—the case is about the limits of free speech as it happens to relate to the draft. The leadin could easily be rearranged to say “A man wearing an obscene jacket criticizing this practice was the plantiff in Cohen v California.”
Mea Culpa on my part. Your suggested phrasing is much better and it's something I should have caught (especially since leadins that hide the referent until the end are a personal pet peave). That said, in game qb-wise generally I believe players are expected to suspend "this should have been accepted" until the referent is said (but I definitely created a subpar game moment for you and for that I apologize and we will fix this).
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For what it's worth I actually think this is phrased perfectly fine. The line reads as such: "Another poem depicts “something amazing, a boy falling out of the sky” and begins “About suffering they were never wrong, the (*) Old Masters”; that poem was based on a Brueghel painting"

While it's true that Williams wrote something about Brueghel, the poem is quite different, and the way it was handled in the question doesn't call for a "its not Williams" in the same way both Eli Wiesel and Primo Levi wrote about the Holocaust, but if you wrote a question describing one of their works and ended it with "during the Holocaust," it wouldn't require a "it's not [one of them]."
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One more thing about the draft question—the Baltimore Four poured blood on draft cards, while the Catonsville Nine burned them. The question implies that the Catonsville Nine poured blood over the draft cards.
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To continue documenting the changes to the set based on comments: the tossup on the draft now incorporates Matt's feedback, and the bonus on snow now incorporates Darren's feedback
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A bonus part on Revelation says it is in the Old Testament. A part on Durer says that he is Dutch.

As has already been said, Carracci and Cimabue are appropriate hard parts for this set.
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May I please see the toss-up on “Daddy”?
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I also agree with Cimabue and Carracci being OK, especially when looking from a non-canonical stance (at least in my experience, they are both taught in art classes)

I really loved the Subotai bonus; thought it would be especially appropriate to say that using this forums account

The clarification on "heat capacity" to avoid answers of "specific heat" was a very good idea, but perhaps you could set it off in a separate sentence for more emphasis. Both my teammate and I didn't quite get it until after we had gotten the bonus part wrong.

While I didn't play it, the musicians bonus was rather unique and quite nice.

I'll probably have more specific comments as time rolls on; my memory is also probably lacking due to being sick while playing the set.
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Could I also see the tossup on One Hundred Years of Solitude?
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Can I see the tossup on the battle of Kursk?
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Also, props on the Greg Heffley question; that's the sort of canon expansion quiz bowl needs.
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Could I please see the tossups on calcium and glycolysis? (Just because I didn’t get and negged them respectively) Thanks!
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1. In this poem, the central figure is compared to “a head in the freakish Atlantic / where it pours bean green over blue / in the waters off beautiful Nauset.” This poem describes “the Polish town / scraped flat by the roller / of wars, wars, wars.” The speaker recalls a “vampire who said he was you / and drank my blood for a year” after musing “I may be a bit of a Jew.” The poem’s subject has an (*) “Aryan eye, bright blue” and frightens the speaker with his “Luftwaffe, [his] gobbledygoo.” The speaker insists that “every woman adores a Fascist, / the boot in the face” and tells the title figure “there’s a stake in your fat black heart.” For 10 points, name this Sylvia Plath poem addressed to her father.
ANSWER: “Daddy” <Non-epic Poetry, OC><ed. OC>

5. One character in this work vows to kill her sister on her wedding day, and dies with a black bandage tied around her hand as a symbol of her virginity. In this work, Meme [[“may-may”]] is caught kissing Mauricio at the movies, and her mother sends her to a convent after he is shot in the spine. Another character babbles in Latin and talks to a ghost with a hole in his neck, forcing his family to tie him to a (*) chestnut tree. His descendant with a pig’s tail is eaten by ants after being christened Aureliano, and shortly after, a powerful wind destroys the town of Macondo. For 10 points, name this novel describing the rise and fall of the Buendía family, by Gabriel García Márquez.
ANSWER: One Hundred Years of Solitude [accept Cien Años de Soledad] <Long Fiction, OC><ed. OC>

16. During this battle, Michael Wittmann’s audacious defence of his battalion’s left flank repulsed an assault that would have destroyed one side’s communication lines. During this battle, Walter Model's forces were halted after just one day, leading to largely inconclusive fighting at Ponyri and Okhovatka. The more successful southern offensive was tactically successful at (*) Prokhorovka, but withdrew following the Allied invasion of Sicily. For 10 points, name this decisive World War II battle code-named Operation Citadel, where the Germans attempted to close a large Soviet salient on the Eastern Front.
ANSWER: Battle of Kursk [accept Prokhorovka before mentioned] <European History, AH><ed. JB>

3. A protein pump that removes this element from the cytosol is regulated by phospholamban. This element is released from lateral sacs by ryanodine receptors. Influx of this element into presynaptic terminals causes vesicle release. Binding of this element causes a shift in the troponin-tropomyosin complex. This element is stored in the (*) sarcoplasmic reticulum. In muscle cells, a rise in the concentration of this element triggers contraction. This element’s uptake is facilitated by vitamin D, and it is required for proper mineralization of bones. For 10 points, name this element with atomic number 20, symbolized Ca.
ANSWER: calcium [accept Ca or Ca2+ before “Ca”; accept calcium ion] <Biology, DY><ed. KLei>

8. A variant of this process uses the KDPG and fructose-bisphosphate types of an enzyme that is typically used. In this process, the action of enolase releases water and triose [[“try-ose”]] phosphate isomerase interconverts dihydroxyacetone [[“die-hyd-rox-ee-ass-uh-tone”]] phosphate with glyceraldehyde 3- phosphate. Regulatory enzymes of this pathway include glucokinase, hexokinase, and (*) phosphofructokinase. A dehydrogenase enzyme converts the product of this pathway to acetyl-coA [["uh-seat-ill Co-A”]]. Two net ATP molecules are released in the pay-off phase of this pathway. For 10 points, name this process which produces pyruvic acid from breaking down glucose.
ANSWER: glycolysis [accept Embden–Meyerhof–Parnas pathway or Entner–Doudoroff pathway; prompt on cellular respiration] <Biology, DS><ed. KLei>
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zeebli123 wrote: Sun Jan 27, 2019 11:00 pm Although the first clue here is probably unique, it only is based on the key, which depends on the player's having perfect pitch, having played the piece, or having read the score; and the orchestration, which seems doesn't seem too evocative and may also not be unique, but I can't think of any examples.
I understand where you're coming from, but imo the orchestration is very significant and distinguishes the use of the motif from its other appearances: the low brass and funeral bell are designed to evoke Berlioz's memorable "burlesque parody" of the dies irae. I've made this clue more specific, as well as rearranged the sentence so that the funeral bell precedes the note sequence. Hopefully that helps, but in general I think the inclusion of the clue is acceptable.
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16. During this battle, Michael Wittmann’s audacious defence of his battalion’s left flank repulsed an assault that would have destroyed one side’s communication lines. During this battle, Walter Model's forces were halted after just one day, leading to largely inconclusive fighting at Ponyri and Okhovatka. The more successful southern offensive was tactically successful at (*) Prokhorovka, but withdrew following the Allied invasion of Sicily. For 10 points, name this decisive World War II battle code-named Operation Citadel, where the Germans attempted to close a large Soviet salient on the Eastern Front.
ANSWER: Battle of Kursk [accept Prokhorovka before mentioned] <European History, AH><ed. JB>
The firstline of this tossup seems hard to me. I'm a history player and big ww2 buff, but I'd never heard of Michael Wittmann's actions at Kursk (a cursory google search tells me that his actions at Villers-Bocage are far more notable, and might have caused a player more informed than myself to buzz in with Villers-Bocage or Operation Overlord). The second clue, in isolation, applies to the Battle of the Bulge until "one day," and this might cause players to buzz in with the Bulge, as I did, for two reasons: 1) the first clue is something few players have heard of, meaning that the second clue is the one players will try to buzz on, and 2) even if they had heard of Wittman doing stuff, it would most likely be in the context of France, doubly reinforcing the idea that this is the Bulge. A good replacement for the firstline might be a clue referring to the fact that an SS lieutenant (I forget the name) notably had his pants set on fire after having a grenade in his pocket set alight, to which he responded by taking off his pants and charging.
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Pedro/HCHS wrote: Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:54 pm The firstline of this tossup seems hard to me. I'm a history player and big ww2 buff, but I'd never heard of Michael Wittmann's actions at Kursk (a cursory google search tells me that his actions at Villers-Bocage are far more notable, and might have caused a player more informed than myself to buzz in with Villers-Bocage or Operation Overlord). The second clue, in isolation, applies to the Battle of the Bulge until "one day," and this might cause players to buzz in with the Bulge, as I did, for two reasons: 1) the first clue is something few players have heard of, meaning that the second clue is the one players will try to buzz on, and 2) even if they had heard of Wittman doing stuff, it would most likely be in the context of France, doubly reinforcing the idea that this is the Bulge. A good replacement for the firstline might be a clue referring to the fact that an SS lieutenant (I forget the name) notably had his pants set on fire after having a grenade in his pocket set alight, to which he responded by taking off his pants and charging.
Fair points on the first two clues and that's totally our bad. The Model thing is definitely not identifying and we will change the clue. The initial thinking with the Wittmann clue is that his actions at Kursk probably stopped the battle from ending on the spot, but you're right that it probably isn't significant enough and we'll change it. I'm a bit hesitant to use the pants on fire clue because I can't actually find anything other than the extra history video that mentions it, but if I can it would work great. Thanks for your feedback and hopefully you enjoyed the rest of the set!
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Deviant Insider wrote: Sun Feb 10, 2019 1:01 pm A bonus part on Revelation says it is in the Old Testament.
This wasn't fixed by the time of the MIT mirror last Saturday (causing me to incorrectly answer Malachi on that bonus)--just a heads up for any future mirrors
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The Hands Resist Him wrote: Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:01 pm
Deviant Insider wrote: Sun Feb 10, 2019 1:01 pm A bonus part on Revelation says it is in the Old Testament.
This wasn't fixed by the time of the MIT mirror last Saturday (causing me to incorrectly answer Malachi on that bonus)--just a heads up for any future mirrors
I missed this, it's fixed now. Sorry about that.
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May I see the Li Bai tossup? Thanks in advance.
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Gae Bulg wrote: Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:50 am May I see the Li Bai tossup? Thanks in advance.
18. In a poem by this author, a girl pulls flowers while a boy plays horse on stilts. In another poem, the speaker sees “moonlight before his bed” and imagines it is “frost on the ground,” then lowers his head and thinks of his homeland. This poet states “we are now three” after inviting the moon and his shadow to join him with “a cup of (*) wine under the flowering trees” and the “cloudy river of the sky.” The speaker of another poem recalls “when my hair was cut straight across my forehead” and declares “at fourteen I married My Lord you.” For 10 points, name this Tang Dynasty poet of “Quiet Night Thoughts,” “Drinking Alone by Moonlight,” and “The River-Merchant’s Wife.”
ANSWER: Li Bai [accept Li Po or Li Bo] <Non-epic Poetry, OC><ed. OC>

We've received the feedback that the Quiet Night Thought clue is too early.
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ansonberns wrote: Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:00 am
18. In a poem by this author, a girl pulls flowers while a boy plays horse on stilts.
This is from the first of the Two Letters From Chang-Kan, right? Is there a way to distinguish this from Pound’s The River Merchant’s Wife?
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Gae Bulg wrote: Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:23 am
ansonberns wrote: Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:00 am
18. In a poem by this author, a girl pulls flowers while a boy plays horse on stilts.
This is from the first of the Two Letters From Chang-Kan, right? Is there a way to distinguish this from Pound’s The River Merchant’s Wife?
Pound signs his "The River Merchant's Wife: a Letter" with "by Rihaku", his name for Li Bai. I get where you're coming from, because Pound's poem takes freedoms, but it is still a translation, and I don't really think it's fair to say that Pound should be an acceptable answer (I think it's comparable to a neg of "Nabokov" if a clue quotes his translation of Eugene Onegin.)
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Could I see the Titanic tu? It seemed like the Molly Brown clue was very early for how much she associated with the Titanic.
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20. Masabumi Hosono became known as the “Lucky Japanese Boy” for surviving this event. William Alden
Smith’s investigation into this event claimed that Stanley Lord could have saved many of its victims. Molly
Brown demanded the rescue of survivors of this event, some of whom were eventually saved by the (*)
Carpathia. Despite numerous warnings, J. Bruce Ismay refused to slow down the central vehicle of this event. This
event was exacerbated by an insufficient number of lifeboats and the delusion that a certain ship was “unsinkable”.
For 10 points, name this deadly 1912 event that occured when a passenger ship crashed into an iceberg.
ANSWER: sinking of the RMS Titanic [accept equivalents for sinking—anything that describes the sinking of a
ship] <Other History, JB> <ed. AH>
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